Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Rcdeer on February 05, 2013, 06:17:29 pm
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hey guys,,well was lucky enough to go to Alafia Vous in Fl. and unlucky enough to break..another bow..that's 3 in 18 months. all were recent builds, this one was my holmegaard..saddened me! (this after I missed shootoff for new gun by 1 point, hit 200 yd bear on practice shoot then gun fell bending front site..still tied for 2nd..then found my good primitive shirt was torn so bad it should be destroyed..this was all same day..then I broke..open a 6 pack!) okay, anyway been hearing Osage is best wood for bow. anyone have opinions? I know wood bows will do can break..but I'm only one I've seen do it! guess I best start listening to those in the know.. I don't have alot of money..much at all really but best I spend on a good bet rather than lil bit at a time..and how do you know or tell a good builder or good bow..hard question for sure but appreciate any comments or opinions on what to look for..haven't been in this long but hunted all bow season with primitive bow..really enjoy shooting too but this silencing the crowd with one loud crack is getting very depressing..appreciate any comments ! Thanks! Rc
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Some of us on here have some opinions about what the best bow wood is. ;D Really it depends on what you're looking for. You can make great bows out of just about any bow wood but it sounds like you want something that will give you a little more room for error. Osage can definitely take it but hickory is just about unbreakable as a stave and slightly less so in boards. As for the builder quality part that's hard to say. The best way to know would be to shoot their bows. Sometimes you'll see bows that look great and don't shoot well or don't have the lasting power. Other times you'll see bows that aren't as pretty but shoot great and will last a lifetime. Ask for the opinions of others and do research. You'll probably get a pretty good idea of what you want to know.
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its not so much the type of wood but the way the bow is made osage and hickory are a good place to start but lots of woods will work
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I've just about decided that durability wise Ipe backed bamboo is the toughest combination of natural materials. Cant say its the fastest, but in terms of strength it seems best.
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As you know any wood can break for no apparent reason and at any time. I was shooting my first-ever-bow today and I was thinking, "i can't believe this thing hasn't broke yet". I've shot it alot and it has flat spots, cracks, knots, and nicks in the back. It has served me well and if I had to shoot an apple off someone's head I would use this bow. It is osage and I have two others of osage that are similarly trustworthy.
I have a 46" vinemaple hack-job that I pull as hard as I can and it springs back without issue. Also a 56" parallel vinemaple that I originally built for stress testing and it too lives and shoots well. Those are my two choices but I've only used a small percentage of the best woods out there.
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I've just about decided that durability wise Ipe backed bamboo is the toughest combination of natural materials. Cant say its the fastest, but in terms of strength it seems best.
I prefer to back my ipe with boo ;D
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Start with hickory, that stuff if hard to break and makes a great hunting bow.
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Everybody's got a different take, do not underestimate ironwood (guess it's called hop-hornbeam around here) It's as tough and forgiving as ANY wood and should be readily available in your neck of the woods. I've built a lot of bows from it and they are all shooting well.....but remember that my bows are not looked upon very well so take the recommendation with a grain of salt.
rich
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I'm no pro bow builder...but i'm enjoying the versatility of hackberry , just have to get used to a tendency towards set.
have only worked hackberry, persimmon, tree of heaven, and hickory - thats what grows here on the property.
but i'm eyeing some white oak, winged elm, and red oak and after what i heard here might even try sassafras.
for all the great things I've heard about hickory,and i've only made three,
none survived, each cracked, even from the tiniest pinholes...but it might be from my inexperience.
I'd suggest hackberry ,it can be bent dry easily, and it grows everywhere.
I've even reflexed some two year old hackberry bows , retillered them and they're snappier and have a lot less set.
and i've learned to always use a stringer... i think i cracked two nice bows by pressure from my knee.
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.....but remember that my bows are not looked upon very well so take the recommendation with a grain of salt.
rich
Says you... ::) I'm pretty sure everybody looks well on your bows or if some idiot hasn't then they've been drowned out by the rest of us.
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Interesting ,, thanks! heard.........bamboo is not primitive as far as use in early America,.Pre 1840 not that many check,,most Vous are, as long as it's not glass or metal your good to shoot..The Holmegaard I had..........had hard maple limbs and was the smoothest draw I ever done,,not sure if it was the wood or bow design..
wish I had the patience, and the tools to make one,,talent be good too lol... i'll jus keep searchin and asking and looking see what comes up..hmm ironwood,,not a bad idea,jus the name would help! thanks!
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.....but remember that my bows are not looked upon very well so take the recommendation with a grain of salt.
rich
Says you... ::) I'm pretty sure everybody looks well on your bows or if some idiot hasn't then they've been drowned out by the rest of us.
+1
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Lots of "good" bow woods out there. IMO - The best ones are the ones you can get. Many will of course vote Osage. I have had luck with ash, hickory, mulberry, hackberry, juniper, and Osage. My favorite to date is an ash that I made. Sure that will change, I am still new to this stuff!
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Of course been on the west coast, I have to mention good ole Yew. I have yet to get any but hopefully in the near future as well as Ocean Spray, Vine Maple and Choke Cherry which are also native species on the Wet Coast....
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but remember that my bows are not looked upon very well so take the recommendation with a grain of salt.
rich
lol? Every bow you make is absolutely superb. ;D
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Like others have said ,lots of good wood,as for tough wood Hickory/Osage/Hop horn beam would be my pick.Not sure what you are building or draw length,but you may want to make yours a little longer and see if that helps them hold up until
you really get the feel for making bows. Everyone seems to want to make the really short with a really long draw and it can be done ,evedent on here but it's a lot tougher to get one to stay together unless everything including the wood is prefect. :)
Pappy
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thanks again guys for your help! appreciate it! now, although many will say "you can build a bow" I know I'd be arrested for abuse to nature for trying..no patience no tools, and I'm a gotta see it done type...telling reading..ain't gonna work..that's why I asked about builders lol.. as for length..each bow I've had was 69" long..draw is 28" weight between 45-55 lbs, one bow, riser separated from limbs (adhesive?) one broke about 1 foot from string nock, and holmegaard cracked 4" from handle..think limbs were hard maple on that.. would eventually love to get a really good custom bow..seen many that shoot very well an look awesome too..just tryingto get an idea of what best to go with..until then I'll try to get something inexpensive to hopefully carry me until I get the funds saved up,,,for ?? lol again appreciate all your time an help! RC
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ok, i here ya about hands on thing, but your ganna have to do some reading. if the money thing gets in the way navigate threw this site and you should be able to find everything (and opinions >:D)you could need.
sounds like you need a bow, every type or method takes time to investigate. maybe look into a board bow not because it sounds easy. its that you can find inexpensive material. they make great bows.
i hope this helps. tutorials help me because they have pictures. :-[
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always envied those that can read and "get it" doin research is too confusin cause i can't see it an my mind is askin a thousand questions at same time..jus can't see it...some have it, i think ts a gift..bless them!
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Where are you from ?
Pappy
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ummm...gotta be careful how I answer this..........I'm about 15 miles from Cooperstown,baseball hall of fame,...I'm halfway tween Albany and Syracuse..and right near foothills of the Adirondacks Mts....
yup new york..but not the city!
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I'm in the state south of you ;)..(love the dacks by the way..I get up there every once in awhile)...there are some guys up your way,but can't think of any names at the moment....but you should have hickory,eastern hophornbeam,elm,oaks,black locust,and several other good woods to look for and start with. Look into investing into a book or two if you can't find anybody in your area to help you out hands on. The Traditional Bowyers Bible vol I and II are good starting point that has pictures and illustrations...also the bent stick by Paul comstock is good and aimed for whitewoods like the woods I mentioned that are available in your area.
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Best wood? - You will hear osage probably more than any other wood, although there are many woods that make fine bows.
Who is a reputable bowyer? Ask around. The cream usually rises to the top. There's a lot of good company up there. A heap of them are on here!
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Ya I got some friends up just above Buffalo and they say the same thing NOT NY CITY. Just curious,thought if you was close I would be glad to help you out. :)
Pappy
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oh Pappy appreciate that!! but I'd prolly set yer bow buildin skills back 10 years or so...lol
I've seen me..i get in a hurry an its over..
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Everyone seems to want to make them really short with a really long draw and it can be done ,evident on here but it's a lot tougher to get one to stay together unless everything including the wood is prefect. :)
Pappy
Also, the shorter the bow, the less material it takes to effect tiller, which means the more finesse it requires to tiller, and thus the easier it is to mess up the tiller.