Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: sleek on January 16, 2013, 08:38:44 pm
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So, a potential client is asking me if I would build him a 200 lb war bow. ( in my mind I see tillering this thing by hanging an engine block on it while the bow hangs from my cherry picker.) I am thinking of going with elm on this bow, if he decides to go forward with this. This will be a bedny handle, long bow. I will post more if he gives me the green light. Never made a war. Bow before, any advice is welcome!
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200lb? My god. I have no advice but I am ready to see someone pull it back.
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might get more help on the warbow site,
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Use a 2 pulley tillering set up and it will only take 100 lbs of force to draw it. Just make sure you have a strong enough rope and pulleys
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There's only about one person on this planet that can pull that,that I know of....you seriously need to inquire more if this person can really attempt this weight,and should be attempting to pull that....that's no toy and serious injury could happen to him or you as well. Honestly if I didn't have a bunch of experience building several bows over 150+,I would decline to make such a bow for someone,even if I was in dire need of cash. Not trying to be a negative Nancy..just looking at the cons to this situation.
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that would be a whole lotta bow.i saw the guy pull 225 on a you tube video.i think he even hurt himself.just think what would happen if that one blew on you while being made.
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i absolutely love heavy bows as most fo you know, but even i will admit, check to see if the person has any experience with bows near that weight as he could really get hurt, and also, if you dont have much experience building bows over 150, i would say no, because if it breaks while tillering, you could get seriously hurt( i dont mean to be doubting your skills in any way by that), ill be honest, i sometimes get scared when tillering warbows, although a better tillering system might help
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I was told by a family member of this guy that he has a 200 lb compound that was custom made for him. Now, this guy is 6'4" and has biceps bigger than my head. I will see about talking him down on the weight. As far as everything else goes, what is the warbow sight I need to look at? Also, if I go with elm, should I go with elb dimensions, or the moree typical for elm, a crowned back with a flat belly? Thanks for the block and tackle tillering idea. That may save me a hernia.
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By the way, no offense taken at all for your concern of safety. Thank you all for it, and any other pertinate safety advice is welcome!
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PM nidrinr over on PP. I think he's built some super heavy footbows of that caliber.
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For 6' 4'' you are going to be going a little longer than the norm too.
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Whew!
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That is insane and spells trouble. What's he gonna shoot for an arrow steel rods?
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That is insane and spells trouble. What's he gonna shoot for an arrow steel rods?
no, you shoot smaller bows which then subsequently shoot normal arrows ::)
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About 3 weeks ago I was exercising a White oak bow. I had my foot on the handle.."Stupid" ??? ???..........On the 7th pull a limb snapped, the piece slapped my forearm and went flying down the hall at a 45 degree angle behind me.
It all happended in a nano second, I still get the heee beee jeeebee's thinking about it. The broken end was jagged as they come.
Still have my face intact, Luckily. I will back all these board bows from now on.
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There's only about one person on this planet that can pull that,that I know of
Theres probably alot more people in this world other than Mark Stretton, probably that frequent this site, that has pulled and shot a 200# bow. But I sure don't know any. Or really know of any. I would make real certain first before you make such a godly bow that the man knows what he is asking of you, and knows what he is gonna get. If I were you, and you don't have a pulley set up, I would charge him from 800 - 1000, just to pay for my own medical bills after I killed myself trying to make the thing, ;).
EDIT:
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb392/toomany7/MarkSretton.jpg)
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That is insane and spells trouble. What's he gonna shoot for an arrow steel rods?
HA. That would be how it blows, after he shoots a lighter arrow / 28" normal shaft with only 125 grain field points for heads,... on a 200# bow,.... ;D Cause you know, handing a wheely guy a warbow, elb, or any type of selfbow, is always a great idea. >:D
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Sleek, the thread below "BOWS" here on PA is "English War Bows". Some of the best builders in the world frequent our war bow site.
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He does realise that pulling a 200# compound with 60-85% letoff is a different ball game than a warbow,right? That would be some beast to brace as well. Maybe a piece of plexiglass in between you and your tillering set up is in order as well. Or a really long rope ;D
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I like to try new stuff, but personally, I would want to have made a few (dozen?) warbows before I signed on to make somebody a 200 lber.
Gabe
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unless he can shoot a 200lb compound with extream ease I doubt he can shoot a 200lb real bow ;) well
PS. what the heck do you need a 200lb compound for, killing three elephants with one shot, shooting Down spaceships (maybe he wants to keep them from stealing our Osage ;D)
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Maybe he is tired of missing a shot cause the deer was on the wrong side of a tree. Now he can shoot through the tree and still hit the deer...
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Maybe he is tired of missing a shot cause the deer was on the wrong side of a tree. Now he can shoot through the tree and still hit the deer...
Rekon the sonic boom from the arrow leaving the bow may scare the deer first!
I would love to see the tiller set-up that some of our members here use for warbow making. I would imagine at-least 3 pulleys to give a decent mechanical advantage so your not pulling that weight all the time. Yes plexiglass and a very long rope would be a definite. Not to mention reinforcing all of your anchor points such as pulley and bow rest.
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makin' it ain't the problem.
The prob will be stringing the darned thing :laugh:.
Seein' as how tillering kids bows is harder than tillering regular bows, it should follow that this will be easy to tiller O:).
Easy... but scarey ;D
Del
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Seems really Dangerous, but I can't wait to see how it turns out. 8)
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Keep in mind that the block and tackle will shorten the amount of string pull, relative to the amount you pull on the rope.Easier to pull ,just have to pull it farther and compensate for how far the stationary pulley is from the bow.Don't forget to post video of you strining it. You could always give hime a small tree with nocks ,and a string ,and tell him when he braces that he's ready for a 200 lb.warbow. ;) Does he currently shoot traditional,and understand the concept, or is he just trying to prove a point. Set a new record ,maybe?
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One question how do you plan on shooting that thing in? I personally like putting at least 300 arrows thru any bow that I gift to anyone.
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One question how do you plan on shooting that thing in? I personally like putting at least 300 arrows thru any bow that I gift to anyone.
he can send it to me! ::)
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makin' it ain't the problem.
The prob will be stringing the darned thing :laugh:.
Seein' as how tillering kids bows is harder than tillering regular bows, it should follow that this will be easy to tiller O:).
Easy... but scarey ;D
Del
I use my tiller tree to string bows that are too heavy to string otherwise. I just draw it out far enough on the long string, and act like the longstring was the stringer.
EDIT: Stringing it, while you out there, getting ready to shoot it, would be another thing though. :)
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Who is this bow being made for Odysseus?
Grady
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Even after 100 plus bows, Im nowhere near able to consider building a bow like that. Not even close.
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have a look at here:
http://www.welchmanlongbows.com/ChiefAJPg1.html
found this a few years ago, and said to me o. k. it's not too late ..... (I'm now 56 )
enyjoy, and close your mouthes
Simon
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200lb? My god. I have no advice but I am ready to see someone pull it back.
http://www.norwegianwarbows.com/apps/videos/videos/show/13871442-joe-pulling-the-210-w-elm-bow-