Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: sleek on January 14, 2013, 10:32:48 pm
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I have this bow i am making and just cant seem to make the tiller look right. Need help! I am not quite to full draw yet.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/replica%20bow/IMG_0194.jpg)
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can we see a braced and unbraced photo?
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I have a hard time telling with the tilt and background and I'd like to see it braced and unbraced and all of that. But it looks pretty good.
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Outter 1/3 of both limbs look stiff to me.
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I agree, so far the tiller looks good. Based on your pic, it looks like maybe 4 more inches until full draw. How much weight are you pulling and what is your final target weight?
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Outter 1/3 of both limbs look stiff to me.
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Yeah, the outer 1/3 does look a little stiff, I was kinda wondering if it was a molley.
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Well, I'm pulling 40 there. Last 3rd is stiff on purpose. I don't want the recurves moving. Not a molly, more of a pyramid shape. The tips already start to pull out a touch, so I don't wanna make move any more. I am shooting for 45 to 50 lbs. I just feel that something beetween the two lims is off.
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I am still a novice, but it is really hard to tell with the shadow of the bow and that we don't have a front profile picture but.... I would say the bottom limb is curving nicely the top limb is the one not working well. It looks stiff coming out of the handle bends then a touch before mid limb and is then stiff again to the tip. I think you can take wood off before the bend and not drop your weight, but be careful not to then make a bow which suffers from set. .......Just my opinion. Oh yeah what wood is it?
Peter
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I think I have diagnosed the wood to be wytch elm. And I do believe you are correct on the upper limb not bending right. I have dedicated all the tiller adjustments to the upper limb.
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Last 3rd is stiff on purpose. I don't want the recurves moving.
Recurves? There are no recurves in this bow. Maybe mildly flipped tips, but not recurves.
You need to get more limb length bending. Even if you want the outer tips to be stiff, you still want all the wood up to the tips bending. At the moment, a stretch of six inches, between midlimb and the flipped tips, is still not doing anything. The pyramid front profile dictates that this wood should bend, ideally. I agree that the upper limb needs some scraping to match the lower limb, but I would also scrape the aforementioned six inches of each limb. Maybe you even need to scrape the handle fades a bit, as they seem excessively long as it stands.
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Looks good if it's meant to be a Molly with stiff tips.
I diagnose tiller fatigue ;D, stop messin' tell everyone it's a Molly and shoot the heck out of it.
Del
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Ok DarkSoul, you win, mildly flipped tips. But thats not how it started out. They began as recurves, but I made them too thin, and they are now working tips. I have reached this stage of tiller, full draw @ 45 lbs, with 1.5 inches of set after repeated drawing.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/replica%20bow/IMG_0209.jpg)
I think my tiller is terrible, and really wish I could get a re-do on this bow and feel awful about it. I will get frontal and braced/unbraced pics up tomorrow. Thanks for the help guys.
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its looking good i would say bottom limb looks a little stiff mib limb compared to top limb on the second pic. i wouldnt like that string to go on you. that hook on your scales could have your eye out.
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Thank you for the safety tip. I would have never thought of that.
I should add, here is the tiller I was trying to get on another bow I have, only I wanted more of a recurve.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/Hunting%20bow/IMG_0208.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/Hunting%20bow/IMG_0208.jpg.html)
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i like that second bow it looks good. tiller looks spot on to me.
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just looking at the fd on the first bow I was thinking it was a d/r and the tips were opening up, never would have thought pyramid
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An unbraced pic would help with all this confusion.
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Looks to me like a long mild reflex. I'm with Del shoot it. Looks to be a sweet little shooter.
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Ok, here are the stats. 45@26, 59" ntn, with an 11 inch non bending handle, and its amazing how a stick can make you want to jump off a cliff. This bow gets the most irritating build of the year award for me, and its not even Feb. Here are the profile shots.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/replica%20bow/IMG_0223.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/replica%20bow/IMG_0219.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/replica%20bow/IMG_0218.jpg)
Now, tell me what yall think about the tiller now that you have all the evidence.
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Looks like a shooter to me. Good brace profile and a lot of character.
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mild d/r like I thought, I would have just gone with a shorter handle section to get some more wood working, shoot'em up, Bub
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Did some final touch up tillering. I shortened the upper limb one inch, re heat treated it, and did a small bit of scraping on the lower limb. Final stats are 47#@26, 58 inches ntn, And she shoots great. I am happy now. What say yall?
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/replica%20bow/IMG_0233bcp.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/replica%20bow/IMG_0236bcp.jpg)
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wow, i can now see that it has improved a great deal! i really do like it! Wonderful fix you did.
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Thanks, man I gadda tell ya, satisfaction feels great. Still not perfect, but darn close. Not bad for a bow only made with a knife....
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oh! you only made it with a knife! WOW im impressed! more so than before!!!
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I ment to do this bow as a build along, but honestly, I forgot too... Here are a few pics of the build though. I am still not sure on the type of elm this is... seems I am missing a couple pictures. I will post them also when I get the chance, though it seems rather anti climatic now though....
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/xmas%20bow/photo.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/xmas%20bow/photo1.jpg)
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I love everything about that bow....
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That's a Beauty sleek! Love the look of that stick.
Jon
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you did a great job on that one. and even better that you did it with just a knife well done.
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The drawn profile looks great....it should be a decent casting bow. I think this is one of your better tillers I've seen....now just narrow down those last 8-10" some,and maybe start slapping on some overlays for a lil more refinement ;) ......you've come a long way grasshopper....I remember a few years back a 50" short elm bow that happened in disaster due to underbuilt,poor tiller,and overdrawn. Its fun watching folks improve and get better...keep up the good work sleekster.
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Nicely done Sleek. Glad it came around for you and turned into a fine bow, really like that front profile and it has a good drawn look to it as well. I know what you mean about the fits and frustrations some bows want to give you through the whole build. :)
Greg
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It is a beautiful bow, you did a great job and I really like the tiller.
Grady
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Looks right to me, ;).
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Good job. Nothing at all wrong with that one. I bet it shoots good. Danny
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Thanks for all the compliments guys, they mean allot.
Blackhawk, I remember they bow you are referring to and actually still have the broken pieces to it. It was an elm shortie, stiff handle, with a rawhide back. Yup, it was waaayyyy to overdrawn. Elm can take allot, but sometimes, its just too much. That bow was a mess.
I am going to be leaving the tips wide on this bow. Of course that will slow it down some, but I want this bow to be able to take all kinds of torture and abuse without concern of the tips breaking. And the tips are already working some at full draw, any more wood taken off will make them work even more. Not what I am after. I agree narrow tips do speed things up, but this bow shoots just fine as she is, with no hand shock.
Now I gadda get this thing in a shipping tube before I get to many people mad at me. Thanks again everybody for the comments, this bow was for whatever reason, whoopin my butt. So I have named it, The Whoopin Stick.
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NIcely done! Jawge
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You whooped that stick good and hard! Wytch elm?
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That's what my guess is jw.