Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: iowabow on October 27, 2012, 02:14:46 pm
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Well this story begins and ends with flint knapping. The story in between is about the techniques and skills I've learned here on PA web site. This morning I shot and missed a running deer and I learned a lot about my equipment. First the dogwood a arrowshafts are tough as nails. Second the pine pitch glue and the sinew worked perfectly. This arrow was fired into a sandy rocky creek bank survived very very well. I make my pitch with willow. I feel like the good information that i learned on this site make the difference in quality equipment. I learned that carefully attaching of the point is very important. I think jackcrafty has a great video on the reheating of the point after wraping with sinew. Anyway the last photo is a picture of the resharpened point
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Very cool John! Bummer on the miss, but looks like you got that arrow primed for the next target.
Tracy
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Iffn that had been a steel point youd still be sharpening! Too bad about the miss.
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Nice arrow better luck next time on the deer.
Rob
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Glad to see that arrow lived to fly another day! 8) Cool post
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This arrow is great! Tough luck this morning I missed another doe well i did hit hair. I had a muscle cramp in my arm as i pulled back and I blew the shot. But this is about the point and its attachment. It is just fine after a second shot and in need of no repar. The glue is fuctioning perfectly. If you have not seen jackcrafty's video on the reheat you really should. This process sets the sinew into the pitch and make a very strong bond.
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Missed twice? Maybe you need new glasses! ;D
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Hey, that's my method. Throw arrows until you hit something. Just kidding. Great posts .
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excuse me if this sounds harsh, but you shot at a RUNNING deer? you may have learned alot about making arrows, but you may have alot to learn about hunting. Most hunters I know would only take a shot if the deer were standing still. I followed your previous hunting stories on this site (titled "just for the record books") and I'm happy for you that you got your deer last year, but you shot 28 arrows, as i recall. Now I do not profess to be the most accurate or ethical person out there, but I think we owe it to the deer to only take high probability shots. And just for the record books, the first arrow i ever shot at any animal killed a deer- I had hunted for several years before that and never took a shot because I never was presented with a really good shot- I saw deer, but made the choice not to shoot.
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Aaron just for the record that was harsh.
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In defense, I've been bow hunting almost since diapers. I've shot at running deer. Both with a rifle & bow. It 100% do able. All it takes is practice. I've done it before & I'd do it again. Have fun with the game GOD has provided for us. The highways kill more deer than bow hunters . Keep the stories up, I love-em. And for the record I was 2 for 2 last year, & I'd shoot at a running deer or one outta range. Its good practice. Tower
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I just want to be honest about how hard this can be and I practiced that running shot and I forgot to lead. If you forget you will always clean miss by 8". I even set up a running deer at the house. I also went to the club and practices on their running target. It is just hard to remember everything. I had very poor equipment when I started primitive hunting but thought it was good because it was the best I could make at the time. The learning curve for some is great challenge. I missed many times due to poor equipment and lack of experience using a self bow. Many of the misses were because of last minute site corrections because I second guess myself. Other times I hit limbs and stuff that you dont clear because a compound arrow can clear a small hole. I missed a bunch because I did not understand that the tree stand was so different from my ground target. So this year I bought a tree stand and a 3d target.
I am an amazing hunter...I hunted and put over a 100 deer below my stand and shot at 28 within 15 yards. I am 100 times better shot than I was. It is not ethics that cause me to miss as
you indicate but I just kinda chock in the final 15 sec before I shoot. I sent scott a post this morning about how I s@#% . But this post is really about how happy I am to have arrows that dont and glue that does not.
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I see you've started this season similar to last season Jonh? :) Saw 5 yesterday, first day out, none in range that wern't behind something. Good shooting Buddy!! oooga booga, dpg
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Back to the original post...
What do you mean by " I make my pitch with Willow." ?????
Thanks
David
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I have used a couple of different types of charcoal to make my pine pitch. This willow charcoal makes a fine grained powder and is very smooth if you draw with it on paper. I did some reading about charcoal and some people believe it has a greater surface area. I think (and I could be wrong) that the increased surface area allows the pitch to have more area to hold onto so my theory is that this makes for more surface contact with the stone. With the addition of small fiber (I use milkweed) the mix is amazing. I used hardwood glue and it is just a little different not that it is bad but the particles seem to not be mixed like the willow. They say soft wood is not good I have no option on that but willow will work as you have seen on this post so far.
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Willow Charcoal... I figured as much once I thought about of a minute or two.
Thanks
David
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Third time is a charm John!
Tracy
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Willow is the wood of choice to make charcoal for gunpowder (later called "black powder"). And I believe it is that because of it's porosity and increased surface area to volume ratios. Wunnerful stuff.
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How do you find that your two flecth arrows work with the knapped points?
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I have not two fletched yet bu pat b does and they look great. Maybe someone can respond to his question.
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I have used the two feather fletch exclusively for quite a few years now and they fly great with broadheads. But the point has to be oriented on the same plane as the feathers or the arrow will fishtail when hit with a side wind. I snapped a couple pics to demonstrate what I mean, but they aren't very good pics. Basically you want the point to stand up and down when the arrow is nocked and the feathers should be the same way. Hard to explain,but hopefully the pics will fill in the blanks a little. Josh
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More stories about the amazing glue! Well my buddy got a deer this morning (I wont say his name) but I missed the biggest buck I have seen all season that came in after a doe. I fired and shot low and the deer ran off then a bigger buck came into the same spot so I took the time to set everyting up right and relaxed my bow hand and fired right over this monster. I also did not have a good grip on the bow hand and dropped the bow. This buck ran back up the hill and so I wheezed to him and he came right back under the stand. I was trying to shoot video because I did not have a bow to shoot but only got this picture as he was walking away. But!!! That is not what this post is about! It is about GLUE!!! Because I miss a lot it is nice to have a glue that will hold up to the test of a "hopeless hunter" . After driving this point into the dirt now for the third time it is still solid . Look the hunting industry proves that their equipment is great by showing you successful kills but I do by missing a lot to demonstrate the durablity of the equipment. Somebody (who is to remain nameless) said today as he was gloating that I should make glue for him becayse he could hit deer with it lol
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Hey man, I noticed you were still talking about your glue... Mind if I post just one little pic??
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/61163FB6-A415-4ACF-BCEB-B7ADCACA1A14-8028-00000DA23F3D7CB5_zps5a431f5f.jpg)
Mmmm, can't ya just smell them juices! >:D
By the way, who was your buddy?!?
Scott
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Thought your deer were all dead from that fly.Keep trying buddy.It's a little different shooting deer than targets.Sounds like nothing's been hurt but your ego. Focus...Focus....Focus,anchor...anchor...anchor,release...release...release.LOL.I know a guy who wrote that on the top fade of his bow.Your arrows and glue are great.
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Now that's a tad cruel Stringman......LOL.