Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: alexzxz on October 24, 2012, 10:43:06 pm
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I've checked out the sticky on small game points, but most require machining, or take too much work to make more than a few. The .38 brass with nail, I'm contemplating, but I can't get brass locally, so shipping wouldn't be cheap.
I don't really understand how a piece of metal or lead has to cost more than a quarter, Is there anything out there that would work that I could get at a local hardware store that works as field points? I've tried using a pencil sharpener on the wooden shafts I use, but they lack the penetration power to consistently impale into this old mattress in my yard. After a couple of shots, the wood wears down, and loses the point, as well.
On another note, I've been wondering, judo points look very similar to clothespin springs. I've bent a couple with needle nose pliers to show you. I just can't figure how to attach them securely tho, any ideas?
(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb162/konisfamily/IMG_7782.jpg)
(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo202/Bu115hit/Bows/2012-10-24190206.jpg)
(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo202/Bu115hit/Bows/2012-10-24190148.jpg)
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I'm curious, what country do you live in where you can't get .38 brass? I'll go to the gun range and supply the whole country with brass casings if they want to make arrow blunts.
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That would make a pretty cool judo point, I like that idea
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I live in NYC. Pistol permits are almost impossible here, so no gun stores whatsoever, except those that cater to the NYPD, who switched to 9mm long ago.
If anyone has extra .38 brass, I could pay a nickel a piece + shipping, lmk
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Heck 45 auto and 9mm make good tips also
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I use shell casings for blunts too. I'll cut a slot on the primer end and epoxy in a small piece of metal for small game hunting. When I go to a large shoot I pick up field points by the hundred counts. Jawge
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Remember if you are using blunts hey work better with no taper on the arrow. Jawge
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DUDE! 9mm is a 35 cal just as a 38 the case is shorter and doesn 't have a rim like the 38 I use .38, .357,.380 9mm all make blunts can you get 9mm? Jeff W you 'll figure this out
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Alex try and turn the spring vertical instead of horizontal and bend the tips in that direction...the two springs ought to fit "inside each other/together" perfectly having the same twist then just use a nail or screw to secure in end of shaft...i think this may take a little tweaking to make it durable depending on what size nail or screw u use and how far it goes into shaft...wrap the shaft behind the point with artificial sinew, thread,or floss and soak w super glue to prevent splitting
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Found a source of 9mm/357/.38!
@CherokeeKC
Could you elaborate how it works, or do a simple picture in Paint/Photoshop?
I think I understand how the springs fit together, but I don't really understand how you would bend it and nail it though.
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when you said vertical, suddenly made me think of this design
(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo202/Bu115hit/arrow.jpg)
There's only one spring shown here because I'd rather not do perspective in Paint.
There would be either 3 to 4 of the springs on the real thing. It'd be wrapped really tightly with some kind thread, sinew, polyprop twine, then super glued. Then wrapped in a 1/2" heat shrink tubing. That should look quite elegant, I'm not sure about sturdiness. But wrapping it with a lot of thread (maybe even metal wire) and a 2 to 3 inch length of tubing should prevent it from slipping. Thereafter, all you'd have to do is adjust the hook part with pliers once in a while.
OFF COURSE THIS IS AN UNTESTED DESIGN AND JUST GUESSTIMATE.
Also, should file away a little bit of wood to seat the spring better as well as make some grooves for the thread to catch on to.
At a buck for 50 wooden clothespins, this should be relatively simple and useful design. Now I just gotta find some heat shrink tubing in the right size.
3 clothespin = 6 cents
Wrapping = almost nil, maybe 1 cent
super glue = ~ 10 cent (guesstimate)
heatshrink = ~ 25 cents (guesstimate)
TOTAL = 42 cents for Judo point
If anyone has these materials, try it and let me know how it turns out, since I'll be busy this weekend. maybe even monday too, depends on how powerful Sandy gets.
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Or you could pay $4.50 for a dozen field points... Only 38 cents a point... Just saying...
Jon
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Or you could pay $4.50 for a dozen field points... Only 38 cents a point... Just saying...
Jon
from where?
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I get mine from trad shots I go to... It's the cheapest place.
Jon
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OH i thought you were talking about something i could order off the web :P
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thats how much they are at 3rivers also
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Field points get lost, that's the reason for judo points.
Also, I can't really get any types of points cheap, after all, in NYC no stores sell them. After shipping is added, it no longer becomes cheap.
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I've solder the pin springs to brass before and stell blunts. They work for a while. I braisen a couple these you can't break these off. The heat takes the temper out of the springs so you have to straight the wire once in a while. I but puting the temper back in realy not a problem.
But get a couple judio's I lost one in 25 plus years out of 10,000's of shots. I did lose one other on a ground hog once the took and arrow down the hole.
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for a good cheap blunt just sharpen your arrow with a pencil sharpener, then screw a nut on to it, and if ya put a washer on first they pop up pretty good
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:laugh: that groundhog!
The problem with sharpened wood is that it breaks really fast. The point dull really fast even on soft targets, and once I missed and it hit a steel fence just right, the whole arrow got split.
Also, there isn't much penetration. Maybe I should heat treat the points...
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If ya use a nut and tapered wood...
You could soak the wood piont in CA glue, that would toughen em right up.
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im going to give the nut and washer idea a try. So i just squeeze the nut onto the shaft i reckon maybe with some ttb?
Edit. to be honest, the acorn nuts as a small game point sounds very simple and effective. Maybe not great for target shooting, but work none the less.
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i heat treat the sharpened tips, then soak in superglue, and i've put them thru a fence board with little damage, screw the nut on, it will work and it dont get any cheaper, bub
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Field points get lost, that's the reason for judo points.
Also, I can't really get any types of points cheap, after all, in NYC no stores sell them. After shipping is added, it no longer becomes cheap.
so none of the archery stores in nyc sell field points?
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that's the thing :laugh: there are no archery stores, lack of demand, lack of supply.
In NYC, laws are pretty strict, but most people don't know there is little regulation on bows, compared to guns.
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i heat treat the sharpened tips, then soak in superglue, and i've put them thru a fence board with little damage, screw the nut on, it will work and it dont get any cheaper, bub
I do the same thing and have punched holes in pressure treated boards with no damage what-so-ever to the point besides scuffing the finish.
Jon
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that's the thing :laugh: there are no archery stores, lack of demand, lack of supply.
In NYC, laws are pretty strict, but most people don't know there is little regulation on bows, compared to guns.
i did a google search for archery stores in nyc and quite a few came up, don't know where your at but they were spred out, Bub