Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: Bentstick81 on September 22, 2012, 10:51:44 am
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I wanted to get some opinions on wheather or not to hold at anchor with selfbows :-\. I've heard where some say that if you do hold at anchor, with selfbows, its harder on the bow, than if you drew, and released in one fluid motion. Any opinion is appreciated. Thanks
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I usually release as soon as my index finger touches the corner of my mouth. If I find myself short drawing I will hold for a second or two until I get over the short drawing.
Holding a selfbow for more than a second or two will overly stress the bow so try to avoid that.
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i try to hold about 1 second at anchor- this lets my sight picture "settle".
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I hold about 2 seconds with both selfbows and my glass recurve. This helps me to settle into that perfect shot position and feel the arrow going to the bulls eye before I release. I always know if my shot is on or not as soon as I release this way.
Jon
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I don't like to release as soon as I get to anchor but I don't hold a second...probably a half a second....or when it feels right. If I start realeasing too soon....that's when it causes trouble!!
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I hold just long enough to get a good look at what I'm trying to hit. I guess that would be about a second.
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I already have a sight pic before I draw. I know where the arrow will go before I draw. When it gets to the time to draw I don't want anything to get in the way of my concentration. When I begin feeling tension on the string I want my brain to take over and my body to do what it was tought after thousands of concentrated shots.
With my style of shooting my index finger touching the corner of my mouth is the trigger. If I find my release short I will "reset" my brain by holding for a second or two then I go back to the way I normally shoot. If I hold too long there is too much that will get in the way of my concentration.
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Very well said Pat!!!! ;)
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I already have a sight pic before I draw. I know where the arrow will go before I draw. When it gets to the time to draw I don't want anything to get in the way of my concentration. When I begin feeling tension on the string I want my brain to take over and my body to do what it was tought after thousands of concentrated shots.
With my style of shooting my index finger touching the corner of my mouth is the trigger. If I find my release short I will "reset" my brain by holding for a second or two then I go back to the way I normally shoot. If I hold too long there is too much that will get in the way of my concentration.
I'm on with what Pat said 100 % ;) ;)
If I hold I end up missing ;D
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For years and years I shot like HOWARD HILL draw (fluid) touch ym archor release. I shot fast. But I shot heavy bows hight 60's to low 70's. (HIS WAY OF SHOOTING HEAVY BOWS) I did really well to about 7 OR 8 years ago I had some target panic one summer.
I DROPED DOWN IN WEIGHT ot mid to high 50's AND STARTED HOLDING A GOOD SECOND. (GOT RID OF MY TARGET PANITIC) Never went back I like that controled feel. But no matter what when the bucks steps into my spot and I know I'm going to shoot. Other than picking my spot. I don't remember a thing when I shoot. The arrows just there or a blood spot.
IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU DID YOUR NOT SHOOTING TRUE INSTINTIVE. AND DON'T TRY TO WHATCH YOUR ARROW FLY. NEVER TAKE YOUR EYE OFF YOUR SPOT UNTILL YOUR ARROW HITS. Thats follow through worse thing you can do (in practice) is watch your arrow fly.
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Interesting. I don't hold long when target shooting, but there have been many times where I have had to hold for quite a while, waiting for a deer to get to that right spot. (And I missed) I have held to the point of slowly relaxing because the deer stopped short of the shooting lane and I couldn't hold it anymore. I never thought holding for awhile could be bad for the bow.
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I actually think I shoot both ways. At targets/3D I shoot very deliberately and hold until the shot feels right, probably around a second. When I'm hunting I honestly don't know what I do because I can never remember. From the moment I decide to shoot the rest happens without thought. I highly doubt I hold at all. If the animal moves in such a way that I can't shoot I have to let down. I cannot hold at full draw and shoot well, so I compromise and hold about half way back until the shot presents.
George
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I tried for years to do the "touch and release" thing, and found for me, it was the most inconsistent method I ever tried. I hold for a second or two, what ever it takes to "feel" the shot. I'm sure each person is different, but for me it's a matter of wondering where the arrow will hit on the first shot, to knowing. If that takes 4 or 5 seconds, I will know when I release.
It could be my "touch" isn't consistent before the release, but I am not gonna stress over it. What works for me is the short hold and that's what I will continue to use.
My aiming method is 100% instinctive and natural. When I thought about it, it was the way I always shot as a kid, never thought about shooting, just did it. That style allowed me to take pheasants on the ground (no shame either), on the wing, squirrels on the ground and in the tree. It just worked for me and still does. Do what feels natural to you.
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AFTER YOU GET THE BASIC'S DOWN. I'M 100 % BELEIVE IN DOING (SHOOTING) WHAT COMES NATURAL TO YOU.
THATS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE WHEN SHOOTING INSTINTIVE.
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I'm with Pat I don't hold much at all. I see the shot, draw smoothly to anchor and release. I have had friends that use gap method and they have told me to not rush the release and when I first got started I was'nt very accurate either way, but the more I do it this way now I am pretty accurate to 20yds. The thing is, if your in the field and you know how fast things can happen, I feel better about just drawing and releasing than I do thinking about it too much. If I hold my anchor I will outhink myself. Having said that, I have improved immensly this year in accuracey and look forward to this years 3d season. I was 1-1 shots on deer this year and 1-2 on turkey so I think its working. I know thats a small number of reps in live fire but its a good start and I have confidence know that when I go into the field, I can make the shot. Hog hunt is coming soon and then spring turkey, so we shall see if it holds up. Danny
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I gap shoot and hold sometimes as much as 3 seconds. You must be in archery condition to do so or it will cause many problems. Been shooting 52# hickory flatbow for 3 yrs. and haven't seen any damage to bow yet. No visible set or weight loss anyway...My bow is near 68" and draws to 26" I can see where it could damage a shorter bow though.
Don
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I would say there's no right way. You have to do what feels natural and works for you.
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My only concern is the bow itself. As mentioned self bows dont like to be held at draw for long. I watched a mulberry bow I gifted a guy go from a solid bow to junk in a weekend. He held for 4-5 seconds each time and the lower limb had enough and just took on 3" of set. It still shoots, but its ugly. Not his fault by any means, just an observation of mine.
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I'VE NEVER HAD A BOW BROTHER BY IT. But I've never sold a bow that someone held for 4 or 5 seconds when shooting. But
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But I guess 5 seconds over time would ,could make that happen. I can't see a second or 2 hurting your bow. But to hold 2 seconds is a long time to hold.
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It was odd to see Roy. Ive watched 1000's an d 1000's of people shoot all kinds of bows, none held that long. Even wheely folks dont hold that long. But hey, if it works do it.
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Yah, five seconds is a long time, you know it may have been longer? All of us in the group cringed, a few where ready to yell, "Let it go!" like it was a grenade!
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It was odd to see Roy. Ive watched 1000's an d 1000's of people shoot all kinds of bows, none held that long. Even wheely folks dont hold that long. But hey, if it works do it.
I've shot with wheelie folks that held for well over 30 seconds on each shot. I believe that is primarily due to back tension releases. If it weren't for the "2 minute rule", 3D shoots would be so slow they'd not be worth the trouble. My brother, who shot for PSE, used to complain all the time about feeling rushed to get his shot off in 2 minutes. Of course, that included the time he spent staring at the target trying to guess the range. In my experience, the more serious the compound shooter, the slower they shoot. That's why there are time limits imposed. At a 3D they almost always let us shoot through since it only takes a whole group of traditional/primitive shooters just a few seconds to shoot. We have a lot more fun too.
Having said that, I think many traditional/primitive shooters would benefit from shooting a little slower. A lot of us aren't really making it to full draw. But, 5 seconds is a loooong time to hold a primitive bow at full draw.
George