Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Almostpighunter on June 20, 2012, 08:42:11 pm
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My love of mulberry continues as this bow weighs next to nothing but is still pulling 50#@29". The snake skin on top of the rawhide is Black Racer I received in trade from Criverville and is gorgeous (gonna need to hit him up for some more somehow). Anyway, the bow is 55" t2t, just under 54" n2n and really puts the arrows out there. The color is "pthallo blue", which I thought looked better with the black racer skins than the natural wood color. Enjoy
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More pics
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nice bow,like it alot.really like your patio with the water feature.very nice all around.thanks for the look.
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Dude! I love this bow. Great bend, nice skins and great name. "Yeah, I'm taking the Blue Meanie for a walk in woods." I dig it.
Gabe
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That's sweet! I don't know how you can resist putting an arrow through that fake fruit on the table >:D
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That is one very nice bow. Like to see pic of the tips.
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Killer bow!!!
Those racer skins look fantastic... What a great blind bow!!!
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Wait....let me get my shades on... 8) ...naw, just kiddin, the blue looks good. Nice bend on that short one. Those skins look really good too!
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You're right, APH. That blue does look good with the black racer skins. Good on ya and nice job.
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Mike, that's a hot looking little bow!! I can't believe how well the skin looks. That blue almost looks like Maya blue.
Very nice job and great pics too.
Cipriano
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Man that is a lot of bend for such a short stick,very nice job. Finish work is sweet. :) :)
Pappy
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nice fd, nice all around, another winner aph, Bub
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Bend looks good...looks like your stacking there
Can ya show an unbraced straight on shot of the side view profile please? And where did your profile start? And how much did you lose? Just curious to know how much real set it took with such a high stacked draw? Sorry for so many questions
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You definitely get all the bend out of em! Very nice finish work. Josh
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Sweet little bow with a huge bend, very nice
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@ Blackhawk: I think this is the angle of view you were asking. The bow did indeed take some set, especially after shooting, but it relaxes back down again a bit. Interestingly as you can see from the photo the lower limb takes a bit more than the upper limb. I'm not sure how you can tell stack from looking at a photo as opposed to the feel of the bow, but the draw is wonderfully smooth and the hand shock in next to none, which is one of the reasons I don't get too concerned about what I believe to be an acceptable amount of set/string follow.
The stave was pretty straight so I think any deflex you see is not as a result of original shape and is indeed from set/string follow. I don't know how much performance was lost as a result, but I am very happy with whatever remains and hopefully the recipient will be as well. Maybe he will post a comment about the bow once he receives it and give us his opinion? We'll see.
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Wow, that bad boy is working hard, love the tiller. No so convinced by the string colour >:D.
Great bow.
Del
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"Stacking" occurs when the string angle gets close to or beyond 90 degrees.
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thanks for puttin up the pic and allowing some discussion ;)
the tell tale signs if a bow stacking are...
1. by drawing the bow itself and feeling it hard to draw in the last few inches
2. a force draw curve will show the last few inches of draw weight spike
3. the easiest way....a photo or seein it at full draw.....your are beyond 90 degrees....i know for a fact it stacks.
take your bow for example and put it up to another bow with the same exact weight and draw,but this bow is 80"(the other end of the extreme,or a longer recurve that reduces string angle).....now pull each bow to its 29" of draw.....the 80" bow or a longer recurve will feel waaaaaaaay smoother and easier to draw back...even tho your pulling the same weight with both bows the longer bow or a longer recurve than yours will feel like less weight to your muscles. you also loose some performance to such high string angles ....and you also incur cast robbing set when reaching these angles
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Set, stack whatever ;) That is one beauty! Love the brace profile and blue color. Love everything about that meanie!
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Thanks to everyone for the great comments!
@Blackhawk:
1. No noticeable stack (IMO) at full draw. Still nice, smooth and springy :)
2. A force curve... um... okay... uh... That one is not in my current playbook.
3. What angle are you referring to that would need to be beyond 90 degrees to automatically indicate stack? Not being snippy, just not sure what I am supposed to be looking for based on your comment. Is it string angle, because the string angle on this bow looks to me to be greater than 90 degrees...maybe 120 degrees?
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Thanks for the unbraced pic.i find myself needing a pic or two of the belly just to drink it all in ;)
Another nice looking stick aph
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"Stacking" occurs when the string angle gets close to or beyond 90 degrees.
Pearlie already answered that ;).....so yeah....the angle between string and tip at full draw.
A force draw curve plots out your gain in weight inch by inch. A very useful tool in knowing if your bow has good early weight(a good thing),and will indicate if it stacks or not,plus some other useful things in bowyering. On average an average bow will gain around 2.5-3 pounds every inch. If it stacks it will gain 5+ pounds an inch the last couple inches.
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When the angle gets beyond 90 degrees your not pulling the limbs up as they bend your pulling them out as they bend because there is no more bend left. Thats why flipped tips and recurves are needed on short bows.
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Very nice,
The blue string was a awesome touch.
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Ah the string and the TIP! Okay, now I am on the same page. Thanks for the info!
Well, the bow is what it is at this point. Personally, I am thrilled with the bow's feel and arrow slinging performance. Did I completely maximize the potential performance here? By the "90 degree string angle = stacking" rule I suppose that is open to speculation. For me, the whole point is about arrow speed combined with comfort in the hand, smoothness of draw and accuracy... all of which this bow has in abundance IMO. Is the bow perfect? Of course not, but hopefully the new owner will enjoy it as much as I would if I were keeping it.
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@RDK: Tips are pretty basic, but here you go.
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Nice bow APH. You sure are banging out some pretty bows. BTW, I like a bow with a little stack. It helps consistify my anchor point, and I like it when the string is begging to leave my fingers.
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I'm really amazed that bow has so little set. Nearly all of the mulberry bows I've built took about that much set but they were longer. I didn't see you mention sinew or a backing of any kind besides the snake. An unbacked mulberry shorty...impressive. Very very nice work.
George
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I've been trying to score a blue racer skin(s) forever, to put on my dark purple bow! Unfortunately, most of them were victims of vehicles. That looks cool though!
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@Gstoneberg: Thank you very much! It does however have a rawhide backing, don't think I would have risked it as a self bow even with the chasing of a single growth ring on the back.
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Certainly a very nice looking bow. Are you drawing29" in the pic? It looks like about 26". Almost impossible to tell for sure by just looking at the pic. But figuring in the stiff handle and string angle that would be my guess. Even if it is only 26", still impressive! Josh
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That was my normal draw which is 29". Might be deceiving because I'm 6'4" and only draw 29". My brother is also 6'4" and draws to the same spot on his cheek, but his draw length is 31"... but we think he's part orangutang.
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Aha, that also explains how that 55" bow looks like a 51" bow in my hands. Now I'm even more impressed.
George
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Very nice job. I know that this repetitive, But "HELL OF A BEND"!
Sweet weapon..
Ron
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Oh, I see. You're one of those folks. I have three orangutans that I build bows for. I'm a short fat guy, which makes shooting in anything over 30" impossible. Even 30" is difficult for my short arms to properly exercise. I assume that you make your own arrows as well? I noticed the amount of arrow sticking out in front of your carp skinned Osage from last month. That arrow must be what 36" to 37" long. I wouldn't want to have to buy custom shafts like that. When, not if I lost one, I would more than likely throw a tantrum that would make a two year old stop and take notes! Come to think of it, I do that When I lose my short arrows. :-[ anyway, nice work! Josh
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@Gun Doc: "a tantrum that would make a 2-year old stop and take notes" ROFL! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
As the proud papa of 2 & 5 year old girls that statement tickled me senseless! Thank you!
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I got a note from MIke that this bow should be waiting for me at my sisters house as I am the lucky recipient of the bow for the trade. I won't be able to get my hands on her til Sat when we are driving into the cities but will be shooting her alot at up my parents cabin over the 4th week and give a report with pics.
Thanks a lot Mike. Hope to due your bow justice and I probably pull closer to 28" so it should be just perfect for me.
Now I need to finish my trade bow. Working on a red elm stave I cut 3 years ago that I'm hoping will be a nice one.
Randy Bevis
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A few pictures of Blue Meanie at his new home in Northern Minnesota as I received this bow in the bow trade from Almostpighunter. Shot it a bit today and I like how it shoots. Very light bow in the hand but still packs a punch.
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/IMG_9147.jpg)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/IMG_9152.jpg)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/IMG_9153.jpg)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/IMG_9154.jpg)
Thanks a bunch Mike (Almostpighunter) for your work on it.
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Glad to hear it works well for you! In fact that group pic is tighter than any I made with her while shooting her in... must be because she's home now :)
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She is a fine looking bow for sure. Getting a lot of good bend out of her. I love the skins and the blue really goes well with it.
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Well I was standing pretty close on that one, about 10 yrds. They were a little more spaced out at 20 yrds but it a fine bow.
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Looks great :), is that blue fast flight near the tips?? i like the looks of it, gives some distinction to the bow