Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => English Warbow => Topic started by: fishfinder401 on February 26, 2012, 05:04:39 pm
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i figured i would put a video of me shooting me new hickory warbow, please, critique the bow, my shooting style........... anything you want ;)
thanks
noel
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Link would be good Noel ;D
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that really would be good idea wouldn't it :-[
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vqzh5DBSKs&feature=g-upl&context=G2fa3bddAUAAAAAAAAAA
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jeeez 150 pounds????
You mind sharing some of the dimensions on this warbow?
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sure, 73 ntn, .75x.75 tips, and 1.5x1 handle, it also has some heat treating
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Getting there Noel, really need a set of scales though. Why not make yourself something lighter to get your technique working?
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This kid needs a girlfriend. ???
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i have some lighter ones, and my yew will also be lighter than that, it just ended up that weight, and handled it nicely so i figured i would train with it for strength training, i am actually pretty accurate with it, now just to get it back those last 2 or so inches, and as far as a scale, i found one at bass pro sops im going to get next time im there, it goes to 400lbs( don't worry im not planing on going that high unless its a crossbow)
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This kid needs a girlfriend. ???
got a spare one?
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Any girlfriend that would be age appropriate for me would be your mother's age. Go wash your mouth out with soap, young man.
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Your a long way off full draw yet, and you wont get there by shooting something too heavy.
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by that point, i was also starting to loose form and was getting tired, i had been shooting for about an hour at that point, i usually also dont shoot that one, usually just 2 or 3 times a week, the rest of the time im shooting around 60-70lb bows for form and fun
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also, form what you have seen in the video, how would you improve the form I'm using if you were me?
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With a lighter bow, pull high with your shoulder and get to full draw every time. If you don't get to full draw you are practising bad technique so you should stop at the point when you cant do it any more. If you start high and rotate your drawing arm you with fine you are much stronger, then force your elbow down and lock yourself in, hold for only a second and shoot.
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thanks, ill try that
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You're a long way off from full warbow draw, which I would consider 30" being a minimum. Judging by your height, I'd say you're getting about 26-27" of draw. As Ian has suggested, why not draw a lighter weight bow with proper form? If your bow truly is 150#, then shooting it with full draw would place you in very select company.
How long are your arrows? It looks to me like you have at least 6" of arrow out past the back of your bow at full draw. Arrow length is how I judge my draw. These arrows are 31" from the nock to the base of the head, so I'm getting about a 30" draw. In the future, maybe use your arrow length as a guide.
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the arrows are about 35 to the tip of the head, i was drawing them about 29 inches, and just as an update, i tried what ian said, and i got to full draw, and all can say is wow, it doubled the penetration on my target, i would have taken a video, but it was dark by then
thanks for looking
noel
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Also look at other archers a similar body shape and learn from how they draw. Short stocky people draw one way tall lankey people draw another.
I used to get a bare shaft and put a cable tie at 32" so you know exactly when you hit it.
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Noel,
I'm wondering why you'd have 35" arrows?? Are you making bows with a 35" draw length??
I'd suggest you cut your arrows off to 32" and then work up to drawing them to the head. 35" arrows will also be unnecessarily heavy and unbalanced. With a 35"arrow, it's hard to tell how far you're actually drawing your bow. Measure your arrow shaft length to the BASE of the head, not the tip of the head.
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ian, i think ill try that, and abd from my experience longer arrows have had better flight characteristics, also, at heavier weights i want sure of what my full draw length was, as with a lighter bow, i could draw to 37 inches, so this way i have room tro grow, it also comes in handy if like my, you have braken of the tips a few times on unseen rocks and have to reatach a point
thanks for the tips
noel
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Noel, it looked to me that your bottom limb was doing most of the work. The top limb hardly bending at all. It is hard to see while you are in motion.
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pat, i just took a clearer picture, and you are right, a little to much bend in the bottom, thanks for catching that
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ok, i used my bathroom scale to get an idea of the weight and after re tillering, its about 140@32i couldn't get the best reading, as it was an old bathroom scale, and i only got it down to about 18 inches, but from the pattern i saw, that's about the weight
( i just actually did it out using a graphing program with more data points i got, and it came out to be more like 150ish, give or take a few pounds) i really need a proper scale :-[
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Noel, I say this, and I don't want to cause any offence as you seem like a nice chap; but I very much doubt that you are pulling anything even near that weight. I don't want to knock your enthusiasm because I was exactly the same when I was your age. You have your whole life ahead of you, don't think that you need to impresses us with large numbers. Better to do a little well, than a great deal badly.
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one thing that might make this a little more believable, is i did measure the length i am drawing, and it is only about 29ish, which according to the data i found would be about 130, so i am not yet drawing the full 150, and i agree this is a little abnormal for my age, but from what i understand, i am the strongest person in my class and have been as long as i can remember, and in 8th grade, i was able to bench 250lbs( i truly don't mean this as a type of bragging, im just giving the facts i have to help you get a better understanding of me) but one thing i have to admit, is am currently hitting a wall at the 29, 29.5 inch mark, and it feels like it will take a while to overcome that wall, im not planning on being able to master this bow for at least a year, i also have a few slightly lighter bows in the planning stages i will use to help train with. don't worry, i don't take offence to what you are saying, as i agree, without witnessing me do it, thi is a little hard to believe, i hope someday to be able shoot with you and show you that what i am saying is true. one other thing, i looked at different people shooting on youtube, and i see what you mean about different body types drawing it back differently so i tried both, and i did seem to favor one more than the other, my troubles came from the last two inches where you finish locking your arm back( if that makes sense)
thanks for the tips
noel
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I agree with Ian and adb about both form and your arrows although I can't say I'm very experienced myself. I don't doubt that you can draw the weight you claim but the video definitely gives some doubt because of short drawing and such. When I was consistently working on it I was able to get to 142@32" just a couple times before I couldn't muster up the strength and it sounds like you're stronger than I am. As has already been suggested, work on good form with a lighter bow before using bad form with a heavy one. I have no doubt you'll be drawing the heaviest of bows one day.
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thanks, and im not sure if i mentioned it, but that was after i had been shooting a while( probably over an hour) and wanted to try to see what distance i get and thought it would be a good video, and a good opportunity to finalize my tiller with others opinions, and gain pointers on technique, and with the arrows, i am actually most likely going to be re doing them with different tips, as these are a like small in diameter for the shafts and resulting i have lost a few( the soil near me has lots of small flat rocks in it, so its easy to break a tip if it hits right), so now that i can make them im planning on making some more suiting for the shafts
as far as using lighter bows for form, i regularly shoot a 70lb ash, and once i get some 80inch hickory or bamboo, im planning 2 backed ipe bows
and thanks for the confidence and optimism, im actually hoping after MANY years of training to attempt a new warbow poundage record, but this is wont be for MANY years
thanks
noel
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To get a weight of 150 lb bow should be at least 1 1/2 "and 1 1/4" in center and at least 78 "long. Your data center bow showed near 110-120lb.
could with a heat treatment but still ..
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Well a 78 inch bow of 110lb would be around 145 - 150 at 73 inches long.....
A 1% change in length will raise draw-weight by around 5%.
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I don't think you could get a 150# bow at 73". I certainly wouldn't try.
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abd, the thing is you can reach 150 with a 73inch bow, but if i had the option i would go much longer,so your right, its not somethign i would try doing again, thats why im waiting to get a long enough backing for the ipe, any hints on where i could find some bamboo or hickory around 80 inches? i found a place thats sells bamboo, but its in california and the shipping is scarily high, something close to 100$ i think
thanks
noel
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Just saying that you can't make a 150 pound bow at 73 inch doesn't make sense? Look at the draw weights of various crossbows!
Making a good bow is all about strain, if the level of strain is less than the wood can handle then it will stay in one piece. You could make a 150lb bow 60 inches if you so desired. The width would have to be increased and the thickness decreased. I'm not saying it's easy but the laws of physics say so!
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We're talking about warbows here. Full draw lengths are generally accepted as being 30 - 32". No, it's not possible to make a warbow 60" long with a draw weight of 150#. Crossbows are no problem... their stroke length is only about 8". A 73" 150# warbow, drawing to 32" would be very difficult to achieve. If you don't think so, give it a whirl!! ;)
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I think possible is not the same as practical in this case. I have no doubt its possible, but it would follow the string and be a terrible bow after all that miss treatment.
When you find yourself some time Mike I'd love to see one of your heavy bows, you seem capable of producing good bows.
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I would also like to see ANYONE produce a 60" bow that draws 150#@32".
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I have a piece of Hickory I don't want, I'm prepared to break it in the name of science. I will video it whilst tillering.
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Horn bow! ;)
I have to agree with some things. I made a hickory bow of larger dimensions than the bow you're shooting and a couple inches shorter and it came out to about 120#@32" with some set. I highly doubt a bow could be made at 150@32" at 73" long unless it was very wide which wouldn't fall into what we like to call a warbow in this forum. Maybe an exceptional piece of wood and perfect execution could result in one but I still have my doubts. Maybe someone could do a build along and attempt such a beast!
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it was a almost perfect piece of hickory, and i did heat treat it pretty heavily, the handle is 1.5 inches wide, and 1 deep, to tell you guys the truth, i half expected this thing to explode during tillering or the first few shots, the ONLY reason this bow worked at got this weight is half that it was a great piece of wood, and half pure luck
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No doubt you have done well to get a good weight from it Noel, but weighing these bows is problematic. You can get fishing scales that go to 220lb fairly cheaply you could invest in one.
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i an planning on getting a heavy scale for weighing deer next time im at that store, it would make my life allot easier
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60 inch was plucked from the sky. The point I was trying to make is making a bow is all about strain. A 30 lb bow that is well made is under the same strain as a 200lb bow that is well made. When I say well made I mean close to the woods limits or to coin a phrase a fully drawn bow is 9/10th broken.
Ian - time is the issue...as always with me. I have many things that I like to do and struggle to fit everything in. However I have probably the best ipe board I have ever seen in my workshop at the moment....watch this space.