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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Baldmoose on February 25, 2012, 01:27:03 pm

Title: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Baldmoose on February 25, 2012, 01:27:03 pm
so i'm fairly new to making bows.... attempted a hickory self bow b4 and learned the hard way not to use power tools.... developed a huge hinge and couldnt seem to get rid of it....   it chrysaled and then blew.  Can you guys take a look and tell me what you think.....  hemp twine backed maple board bow....  it had a risor until this morning where it popped off.   dont know exactly where to go from here.
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: paulsemp on February 25, 2012, 01:35:57 pm
looks good but i would take a little more off the left limb from the tip to about mid limb and a little less off the other tip
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Del the cat on February 25, 2012, 02:22:39 pm
Outer 2/3 of each limb isn't doing much. You've got the middle flexing, leave that alone and ease off the the outer limbs.
Hold a CD up in front of the screen and  move it towards your eye to try and match the edge of the CD to the curve of the bow and you'll see what I mean.
Del
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Baldmoose on February 25, 2012, 02:41:03 pm
Outer 2/3 of each limb isn't doing much. You've got the middle flexing, leave that alone and ease off the the outer limbs.
Hold a CD up in front of the screen and  move it towards your eye to try and match the edge of the CD to the curve of the bow and you'll see what I mean.
Del

Thank you Del,
The CD trick is very helpful.  Running outside to do some scraping.  :D thanks again.
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Baldmoose on February 25, 2012, 02:43:19 pm
looks good but i would take a little more off the left limb from the tip to about mid limb and a little less off the other tip

Yeah i noticed that too.   looks alittle worse then it is because of the slight twist.... i plan on fixing that during final tillering.  thanks for the words of wisdom guys....  Hopefully she works out and i can get started on the next one.
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Slackbunny on February 25, 2012, 03:12:16 pm
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=001047 (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=001047)

Check this out. Its a tillering gizmo. I find it very useful for making sure I get my tiller right, and it works great on board bows because they typically have nice flat surfaces to run the tool over. Very easy to make and its worth the time.

Or if you don't feel like making that you can just run a flat piece of wood along the limb and look at the gap between the piece of wood and the limb. Larger gap means more bend in that spot, smaller gap means less bend. It will show you very precisely where you are bending and where you are stiff. 
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Baldmoose on February 25, 2012, 03:29:24 pm
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=001047 (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=001047)

Check this out. Its a tillering gizmo. I find it very useful for making sure I get my tiller right, and it works great on board bows because they typically have nice flat surfaces to run the tool over. Very easy to make and its worth the time.

Or if you don't feel like making that you can just run a flat piece of wood along the limb and look at the gap between the piece of wood and the limb. Larger gap means more bend in that spot, smaller gap means less bend. It will show you very precisely where you are bending and where you are stiff.

Thanks alot.... i will be making this today:D:D
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Baldmoose on February 25, 2012, 06:10:23 pm
So here it is.   i wanna finish it..... i think i took too much off in the outer limbs.....   seems fairly good though...... remember its my first bow.  just wanna see if anyone notices anything i should touch up on before i finish it.
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Del the cat on February 25, 2012, 06:26:38 pm
That's great.
You havn't taken too much off the outer... it just feels like it 'cos they end up soooo skiny it's scarey :laugh:.
Good job.
It looks pretty good on the CD test, just a teensy bit out on the lower limb, last 1/3 slightly stiff, but that's fine, the very outer tips are often left stiff.
Don't mess with it any more! Enjoy your bow!
Del
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Buckeye Guy on February 25, 2012, 10:22:03 pm
Good job !!
Call it a bow and go shoot it awhile !
Then give it a finish !!
Guy
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Weylin on February 25, 2012, 10:31:44 pm
better get started on your next one!  >:D
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Baldmoose on February 25, 2012, 10:47:57 pm
Thanks alot guys, My second bow is gonna be a hickory self bow.  got the stave roughed out.  looking good so far.
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Weylin on February 25, 2012, 11:33:38 pm
my first bow was a hickory self bow. It's a good wood to learn on. I recommend doing a wide, flat pyramid design. That design will take advantage of the benefits of hickory and down play it's weaknesses. You'll hopefully take less set this way.
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Baldmoose on February 26, 2012, 11:09:12 pm
so Nativenoobowyer86 came over with his tillering stick and scale today.  It pull 45lbs at 28 in.   Im pretty stoke i finially made a bow.  its 60in nock to nock.  1 5/8 at the fades tapering down to 1/2in at the nocks
.   Handle is 1 1/8 wide.....   Set is 1 1/4 in but settles to a 7/8 after a few minutes.  :D woot first bow
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: tattoo dave on February 26, 2012, 11:22:49 pm
Nice job moose!! Thats a sweet #1, thats for sure. I love those bendy handle bows. I have popped a lot of handles off myself, Sometimes I build up the handle with layers of leather, glue it up then you can just cut to shape, cover it with whatever floats your boat, and it will flex with the bow. A friend we call halfeye taught me that little trick ;)

Tattoo Dave
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Pat B on February 26, 2012, 11:27:24 pm
Beautiful circular tiller and especially for a first bow. Enjoy shooting it!  8)
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: ErictheViking on February 27, 2012, 12:21:18 am
great job on your first. you wont forget this one.
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: dwardo on February 27, 2012, 08:04:54 am
Nice bow and nice tiller :)
If you want to build up the handle you could do as it do and use leather an binding.
I cut small strips of leather and glue them on top of each other in a kind of contour, like an OS map.
Then you can use sandpaper or just whittle the shape, then wrap with leather. Feels nice in the hand an it will not pop off :)
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: lesken2011 on February 27, 2012, 11:09:45 am
Good 1st bow! Way better than mine. Congrats!
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Baldmoose on February 28, 2012, 03:57:57 am
Okay here is she is stained.  the tiller looks abit off because of a slight twist.   
Picture
1. Full Draw
2. Hemp twine backing
3. Belly Stain
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: soy on February 28, 2012, 07:18:40 am
Congratulations on #1, very nice job ...now shoot the snot out of it and enjoy the addiction  ;)
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on February 28, 2012, 08:11:39 am
Very nice. :) Jawge
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: PAHunter on February 28, 2012, 10:05:59 am
Really incredible first bow!  Great tiller.  You should be very proud.  Now go shoot that puppy!
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: nativenoobowyer86 on February 28, 2012, 02:36:02 pm
Great job buddy!  Ill bring over somme new arrows to destroy.....more durability tests of cedar and bamboo arrows :D  Im straightening bamboo and cutting purpleheart footing today :D
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Baldmoose on February 28, 2012, 03:29:23 pm
Right on man, Sounds good.... I just found a stick plant here in the bay that makes all sorts of stick stuff out of birch..... im ctrying to get ahold o the owner to see if they can do up some quality shafting.   
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: k-hat on February 28, 2012, 04:35:53 pm
Nicely done Moose!  You got a 45# shooter on first try, there's definitely something to be said for that!  keep shaving and keep learning from these folks here ;D 

Lookn forward to seeing the next one!
Title: Re: First bow.... tiller help.
Post by: Del the cat on February 28, 2012, 04:41:11 pm
I like the hemp twine backing V tidy. :)
Del