Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: DanaM on June 18, 2007, 09:18:47 pm
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Here is another one of my linen backed ash board bows, its certainly nothing special.
62.5" NTN 50#@26", finish is balck rit dye with true oil , Hemp cordage wrapped handle
no rest so I can shoot it either right or left. I was in a hurry to build this one as I had given all my other bows away ::)
It shows that I hurried I have about 100 shots thru it and it has developed a hinge in both limbs and is starting to fret :(
But I will be happy if it holds up a few months until I can get something else shootin.
Don please don't include this in the BOM as it is not worthy.
To the rest of ya please criticize away I value yer comments.
Dana
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The full draw pics, are they acceptable Justin? ;)
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I guess that will be sufficient. Nice looking bow. It looks pretty special to me. I like the way the handle, backing and color all blend together. Justin
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I was lookin for hinges, where are the hinges? I don't see any hinges ;D
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Top limb last third and bottom limb in the fade area are showing frets and the string follow appears to be increasing everytime I shoot it.
Perhaps it ain't from hinges maybe a bad board I'm not sure, I guess I'm assuming its from hinges
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I don't know what is causing the frets, but there aren't any hinges. I see perfect tiller. Well the bottom limb might bend a little less than the top, but the bending looks great. Justin
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Thanks Justin, I've made a few of these ash bows with no frets yet, I can't explain the frets except by way of subtle hinges.
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Seems like I can see a little something right at the fade on the bottom limb, like it's bending a tad more there than the top limb. But I can't detect anything on the top limb - not that I would know, but if you have frets - is the back right? I hesitate to ask - cause obviously you know how to build a bow.
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cowboy its a board bow with linen backing, the grain is fairly straight has some run offs but the linen should keep the back together.
I'm new at this also, I believe Jawge doesn't like ash because it frets perhaps he will chime in and shed some light. The frets are small(for now)
perhaps they won't get any worse. The bow shoots well with no hand shock so I can't complain to much eh.
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Tiller looks good, nothing to be ashamed of for sure, sometimes a bow just doesn't work out for a bad piece of wood. Steve
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I agree, I don't see hinges, don't be so hard on yourself Dana.
VB
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Dana, it might just be me but it looks like the upper limb bends a bit fast about a hands length from the tip. As far as the bottom limb goes, it looks to bend a bit faster right off the fades than the upper but i cant see and hinges in it. I might be wrong though. Tiller is the hardest part of building bows for me.
Other than that, it looks like a good bow to me. I like the way you camo the back of your bows. It just says....hunting bow. Thats what its about to me.
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Hunter, I saw exactly the same thing you saw, but as you say not drasitic. Steve
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Not worthy ??? Looks good to me,Nice tips and I love the grip.Good job.
Pappy
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Badger and matt good eyes that is exactly where the fretting is occuring, is it possible to have fretting that doesn't get any worse?
Pappy I really like this style of grip myself its very comfy in the hand, thanks for the kind words guys.
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It looks good to me Dana. But bows are unpredictable aren't they? Despite taking a lot of care, you can be disappointed with the end result.
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I'm a real amature (with only one bow) but thought I was beginning to see what other folks saw - (from looking at so many full draw pics). When i looked at your FDs, I thought, "Shucks, I've lost it again - those look like clean curves to me!" I was sure glad when I started reading the rest of the posts - :D I hope your bow holds it's own - it's a nice looking bow to these ol' eyes - and your FDs are headed for my TBD this AM or afternoon, Dana.
http://residents.bowhunting.net/bsdunn/tbd13.htm
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Thanks ber, I truly appreciate the honor. I am flumaxed as to why its fretting, the last bow I made was from the same board
and it took little set and no frets. Its frustrating. If it doesn't rain after work I'm going to go shooting and try to put a couple hundred shots thru it
and see what happens. I need to get going on some bows from staves but waiting on wood to dry, Patenience eh.
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AIN'T NOTHIN' WRONG WITH THAT BOW :)
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Your bow looks great! Wood can play tricks on you every now and then....It appears that your string hand isn't in the right place. Am I seeing things?..... In my eyes,you still have a nice looking bow.
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The top limb does have a slightly hingy apearence top it right out at the tip. The bottum looks fine to me. :) Some times you can do every thing right and still get fretts with white wood. :P I wouldnt worry about it to much, just start another! ;D
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A good thing to keep in mind when tillering a bow is that the thickness determines how far a piece of wood can safely bend, the width will determine how far that piece of wood will bend. Both are equally important. Steve
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I agree with Pappy. Not Worthy?????? ??? Only if you say so. Any bow with a tiller as good as this one is certainly worthly.
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Don I consider it not worthy because with the fretting I don't believe its going to last.
I think a bow for the BOM should have a good tiller but also it should be durable.
This bow looks nice, but as someone else said I'd rather have an ugly durable bow than a pretty bow I can't rely on!
Badger thanks for the advice I need to start considering the width of my bows more.
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Looks like a pretty nice bow to me.
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nice bow. i really like it
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My pleasure, Dana.
David W, I got a kick out of your signature line. Please realize though, it actually is where the story begins. Every day is the first day of the rest of your life!!! Make them count - and enjoy them. Build and shoot lots of bows - that'll help ;D
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ill change it from its where my story ends to where my story beggins. :)
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i put that is where my story is now.
i really like the bow hopefully mine will be as good as yours ;)
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I also see the fast bends at the low fade and upper upper limb. but they don't seem to be bad at all. the only thing that cathes my eye is that the top limb seems to bend less? not sure bout that either. nice job anyway.
I just noticed the same thing in my tuomi huntingbow. the tiller is good, but still a tiny tiny cryshal apeared during sunday.
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On the second full draw pic I was tired from holding it back while wife was fiddling with camera.
My left shoulder isn't too good and was starting to hurt, lousy form by that time.
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I really like it Dana.....Brian
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That'll work, David W :)
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I just got done puttin about 100 arra's thru it the set didn't increase but the fretting doubled, this is my first
experience with fretting so a question for ya all. Can a bow fret up to a point then stop and remain a reliable bow or is it doomed?
I tried taking some pics but I can't get one to show the fretting.
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dana the tiller looks very good. as for the frets looks to see if there is any blemish at all in the grain. considering its edge grained it may have hidden pins in it that will weaken the area easily . ive never had ash fret just explode without warning so not sure if itll hold up. if its shootin than shoot it. lol. and build another. peace
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I have had problems with ash fretting. The way yours seem to be fretting all over tells me it the wood that is weak. My tillering may be to aggressive for it. I guess I treat all woods like osage. ;D I do have an ash bow I'm working on now but it is 74" long. If I fret it, I'm giving up on ash. Pat
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If it goes down, build ya another. Fretts , dont know, tiller looks pretty good to me. Maybe longer and wider design would help.
Also do you use a string nock? I still use one squared to the handle rest or top of wrap. I know not primitive , but hey this bowmaking is individual thing. In the last pic looks like you holding string a little high of square, that may alter the appearence of the tiller some.
mack
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Yes I use nock points, but inthe pics there I just had a string with no serving or nock points on, I aleays shoot my
bows in this way, then make a string for it after.
As I said previously I was getting tired and probobly didn't grab hold the same.
After looking at the limbs carefully I think its just bad ash haha, the fretting is everywhere on the limbs, not localized in one area.
I'm just gonna shoot till it fails and get busy on another.
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Dana, any flaws in the tiller look very minor to me. I've only made a couple of ash bows and was disappointed with them both. Both took a lot of set and didn't shot well. They were early in my bow making days, but havn't made an ash bow since.