Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: hillbilly61 on April 10, 2011, 11:54:56 am
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Out turkey hunting this morning and cam accross this tree. Only 2 around that I could find. Was hoping y'all could help.
The Bark
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/hillbilly061/Mobile%20Uploads/0410110718a.jpg)
The leaves
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh49/hillbilly061/Mobile%20Uploads/0410110718.jpg)
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Persimmon maybe... ???
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Possibly black gum. Gum and persimmon have similar bark.
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I say green ash. Persimmon has black spots on the leaves.
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Green ash has pinately compound leaces. Black gum(nyssa sylvatica) has alternate, simple leaves. The black spots of persimmon leaves are probably fungal spots.
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I've harvested several of those, and the property owner told me they were Persimmon. What he did, is had me cull out some of the male trees to make room for fruit bearing females. The bark and the leaves are distinct. Makes good bows Mark, but I learned the hard way not to force the drying. Reduced the very first split to get rid of mass, and it checked so badly that daylight could be seen through the checks. It is a hard dense wood that was once used in golf club heads.
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Looks like persimmon to me. :)
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Pat B you are correct that is the older bark of Black gum and the leaves match up. It is funny that persimmon, black gum, and green ash bark can all look very similar.
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Dogwood?
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Mark, here is photo of the bark on a black gum tree. You can compare to the one you posted. The leaves of the two trees are similar and I think that is where confusion sometimes results.
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The leaves on the black gum are thicker too.
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I am starting to think it is a Dogwood.
Look how the twigs branch...
David
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Our Black Gum trees here have bark and leaves just like the pics. Look at the angle that the limbs come off the trunk. Black Gum limbs come off the trunk at almost 90deg, straight out from the trumk.
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I think it could be a species of dogwood (Cornus). the leaves are opposed and the veins on the leaves are curved and follow the edge of the leaf, all typical of dogwoods. If you could get a picture of the flowers it would definetaly help confirm.
Cheers
Matt
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Thanks guys...It has no flowers....I have to agree with Lombard, I don't think it's black gum.....What about wild cherry? The bark seems to be like it but not the leaves. The leaves almost look like a beech, but not the bark ???
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I'm almost 100% sure it is Cornus florida (http://www.duke.edu/~cwcook/trees/cofl.html). So for the people who prefer common names: flowering dogwood.
The leaves are not like any persimmon. The bark and leaves are both way off for either green ash or beech. The position of the leaves on the stem are also very different from black gum (and also persimmon, for that matter).
The veins in the leaves, are well as the orientation of the leaves on the stem, are an exact match to the genus dogwood. The bark is a clear indicator for Cornus florida.
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If it is infact Cornus florida then it should be in flower or at least have obvious flower buds and possibly the remains of last years fruit still attached. Flowering dogwood blooms before the leaves come out. It is just about in full bloom around here now.
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The bark looks perisimon and flowering dogwood but the leaves and size of trunk look PERSIMMON.
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After a second look it's differently persimmon. Although the bark also looks like flowering dogwood. The size of the trunk and big leaves are persimmon. Neither dogwoods leaves or trunk gets that big a size.
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the leaves and size of trunk look PERSIMMON.
The leaves do NOT look like persimmon. Take a careful look at those veins.
The size of the trunk and big leaves are persimmon. Neither dogwoods leaves or trunk gets that big a size.
There is no size reference in the pictures. How did you determine the size of the trunk/leaves?
If you do not know how to identify plants, please do not create more fuzz. Base your ID on facts, please.
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I still think it is a Dogwood.
The limb in first photo....top or left.
It looks just like a Dogwood limb.
I think, Hillbilly61, lives farther south than I do.
The Dogwoods are just about bloomed out here.
David
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The branching doesn't look like dogwood to me. Usually there will be 5 branchlets coming from one junction(sympodial(sp) branching) and one of these will become the lead. Also, the flower thing again...flowering dogwoods will have flowers before the leaves come out. They should be obvious at this time of year. I see no flowers at all on the limb or in the crown above.
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I can look at the size of the trunk and see it's no where as small as a dogwood. Which rarely get bigger than 4 to 6 inchs across dogwood leaves are much smaller and closer together and not a pear shaped. At least in WV.
PAT makes another point theres no flower buds in front of the leaves. Never to notest of the veins in either leafs.
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Either way it should make a good bow.
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Hillbilly61, take a fresh leaf from the tree. Gently tear it in half, across the veins. If you see small, white, latex 'fibres' between both leaf halves, at the veins, it must be a dogwood species. The Cornus genus is pretty unique in this: latex 'fibres' (for lack of a better word) running from leaf half to leaf half through the veins. They are really small though: be gentle when you pull the two halves apart and watch closely.
Could be an other species of dogwood, not Cornus florida? One that does not flower, or has yet to form buds? Or could it be an early specimen, which has already come to bloom several weeks ago? Just thinking out loud here.
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I live on river and there are dogwoods all around,what makes me think its a dogwood is the leaves,if you look close in your pictures,where they grow off the twig there are only two leaves,plus te bark is identical.
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I looked up persimmon and dogwood the bark looks alot like doogwood but the leaves are more opaque. This tree did not flower out. I live in south central alabama and most all the dogwoods are in bloom. The persimon has a diff. leaf pattern. Also no blooms.
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well im no damn expert but i think its dogwood . DS is you last name Beckett