Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: fishfinder401 on February 23, 2011, 07:49:47 pm
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i was just wondering, if i were to build a warbow, and i had horn or antler tips on it, what are the largest i could buy, as i am planning on this one being a BIG one, with the tips approximately 1 1/4 by 1 1/4inches and ost horn tips i see are 1/2 inch holes, would it be better just to do a large overlay with antler or horn, and which would be better for an overlay
thanks
noel
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You can make your own horn nocks. Just fet some cow horn tips and drill them out to fit. Overlays will be easier and just as effective.
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You can make your own horn nocks. Just fet some cow horn tips and drill them out to fit. Overlays will be easier and just as effective.
ok i think ill go with the overlays, it will also be easier since this will be a board bow, i could put some nice antler overlays and not have to worry about splitting and still have it look cool
thanks
noel
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You're not going to want your tips to be larger than 1/2" wide. If you keep them at 1 1/4" square they're going to be as big as your handle.
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You're not going to want your tips to be larger than 1/2" wide. If you keep them at 1 1/4" square they're going to be as big as your handle.
they wont be square, its going to be more a a d section, and these were just approximate, it is also going to be hopefully in the 160-200lb range, and don't worry i have big hands, i have one bow that is 2 wide at the handle and 1thick
thanks
noel
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would these work for an overlay, or as a full tip
and no i wont use the whole thing, i will be cuting in half then shapeing to my needs, the part im wondering about is the stuff in the center, will it still work with it there, or should i get rid of it or does it disapear near the tip
thanks
noel
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before you look at these, i am seriously considering using the full antlers as tips
so how would this look on an 80in 160-200lb bow >:D
noel
ps: i know i cant show products from companies not advertising on the site and im not sure if this falls into that category, if so remove, i don't mind, i don't want to be doing something i shouldn't
thankyou
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these are some of the ones i wanted to try, i hope this works
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Horn tips are a pain in the backside to make. Simple overlays are just as effective, but if you want a more 'traditional' look for a longbow then do the horn nock thing.
My personal opinion is that overlong, over elaborate horn nocks may look pretty to some but they are a Victorian affectation and add nothing to the bow.
Having said that, I do put 'em on some longbows, but I try to keep 'em minimalist.
Have a look at my bowyers diary as I've just posted a a bit with some horn nock making detail and pics.
(Just google bowyers diary to find it)
Del
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Horn tips are a pain in the backside to make. Simple overlays are just as effective, but if you want a more 'traditional' look for a longbow then do the horn nock thing.
My personal opinion is that overlong, over elaborate horn nocks may look pretty to some but they are a Victorian affectation and add nothing to the bow.
Having said that, I do put 'em on some longbows, but I try to keep 'em minimalist.
Have a look at my bowyers diary as I've just posted a a bit with some horn nock making detail and pics.
(Just google bowyers diary to find it)
Del
ok, the problem i am having is if i don't use just an overlay, the tips on the bow im planning are HUGE do i think what im going to do is use some like these and maybe cut them down to their wides point, which i'm guessing in the base and drill out a 1inch circular hole through center and fit it to the tip, the bows tips will be a little over 1x1 and made of maple and ipe
thanks
noel
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You really shouldn't need more that 1/2"x1/2" tips for a war bow. Bigger tips will only rob your bow of performance and add lots of hand shock.
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You really shouldn't need more that 1/2"x1/2" tips for a war bow. Bigger tips will only rob your bow of performance and add lots of hand shock.
im not exactly sure of the size, but i would like to plan big, and have room to work with rather than wasting material, and i want to have the take as little off the tips to fit on the antler, i also like to be excessive, but within some reason, so i will see once i start it ;D
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Wow, I see some nice knife handles "hiding" in those antler burrs...
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I'd listen to what Pat is saying. Tips that big will just about rip your arm out of the socket with hand shock..........but I guess that would qualify as "excessive" :o ;D
Darcy
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I'd listen to what Pat is saying. Tips that big will just about rip your arm out of the socket with hand shock..........but I guess that would qualify as "excessive" :o ;D
Darcy
ya, im planning on cutting to like 2in long, i only really wan that size for the width, and if i don't cut them back, ill live up to my reputation or being overly exesive, you should see the plans for what i hope will be my future yacht ;D
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You really shouldn't need more that 1/2"x1/2" tips for a war bow. Bigger tips will only rob your bow of performance and add lots of hand shock.
Pat's 110% right. You'll be building a big huge bow with no real performance. If you're going to all the trouble of building a big heavy bow with fancy tips and everything, why not do it right?
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You really shouldn't need more that 1/2"x1/2" tips for a war bow. Bigger tips will only rob your bow of performance and add lots of hand shock.
Pat's 110% right. You'll be building a big huge bow with no real performance. If you're going to all the trouble of building a big heavy bow with fancy tips and everything, why not do it right?
i know, ill be more winging it once i actually get the materials, i just prefer to over plan and modify to work, i prefer having extra material
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What woods are you using?
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What woods are you using?
ipe core and i think hickory backing, but need to find a source first fro an 8ft board
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Those are plenty dense, I'd say start at 3/4" wide (in your planning) and go down from there. You might even wind up with them under 1/2" wide, depending on how long the bow winds up being.
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Those are plenty dense, I'd say start at 3/4" wide (in your planning) and go down from there. You might even wind up with them under 1/2" wide, depending on how long the bow winds up being.
do you realize i'm planing on it being 150-160lbs, i might be wrong, but that seems to thin
thanks
noel
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Those are plenty dense, I'd say start at 3/4" wide (in your planning) and go down from there. You might even wind up with them under 1/2" wide, depending on how long the bow winds up being.
do you realize i'm planing on it being 150-160lbs, i might be wrong, but that seems to thin
thanks
noel
There isn't much leverage on the end of a bow.
take 120# bow, 1 foot down from the tip there is 120foot pounds trying to snap the limb. At 3" down the limb there is only 30 foot pounds. At one inch down there is only 10 foot pounds.
The force at the actual nock is all in shear, with no leverage at all.
Ok this is a bit of a simplification, but you get the idea.
Del
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Those are plenty dense, I'd say start at 3/4" wide (in your planning) and go down from there. You might even wind up with them under 1/2" wide, depending on how long the bow winds up being.
do you realize i'm planing on it being 150-160lbs, i might be wrong, but that seems to thin
thanks
noel
There isn't much leverage on the end of a bow.
take 120# bow, 1 foot down from the tip there is 120foot pounds trying to snap the limb. At 3" down the limb there is only 30 foot pounds. At one inch down there is only 10 foot pounds.
The force at the actual nock is all in shear, with no leverage at all.
Ok this is a bit of a simplification, but you get the idea.
Del
that actually helps make things a little more clear, thanks, by the way, i think i am going to go for a ipe belly, maple core and hickory or bamboo back
thanks again everyone
noel
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do you realize i'm planing on it being 150-160lbs, i might be wrong, but that seems to thin
thanks
noel
Yup, if you were going for anything 100# or less I'd have said start at 3/8" and you would still have plenty of wood left ;)
Ipe is extremely dense and stiff. A little bit goes a long way, and depending on how you lay your bow out even at 150# you won't need "off the charts" dimensions. If you were using something lighter, like yew, then you might need to go for more than 3/4".
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do you realize i'm planing on it being 150-160lbs, i might be wrong, but that seems to thin
thanks
noel
Yup, if you were going for anything 100# or less I'd have said start at 3/8" and you would still have plenty of wood left ;)
Ipe is extremely dense and stiff. A little bit goes a long way, and depending on how you lay your bow out even at 150# you won't need "off the charts" dimensions. If you were using something lighter, like yew, then you might need to go for more than 3/4".
what thickness should the ipe be as a belly with a maple core and hickory backing ???
thanks
noel
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Not really sure. I've never built a warbow like that. I'd say start at 1 1/4" thick at the center and 5/8" thick at the tips. If that isn't heavy enough you could always cut it down, but if you're concerned with the length maybe make it a little thicker.
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Not really sure. I've never built a warbow like that. I'd say start at 1 1/4" thick at the center and 5/8" thick at the tips. If that isn't heavy enough you could always cut it down, but if you're concerned with the length maybe make it a little thicker.
ok, thanks, its good to have a rough estimate to start with