Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Traxx on May 08, 2007, 11:19:29 pm
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Lets talk about the common D bow.Whatever ya like,dislike,methods of manufacture,whatever.Feel free ta post pics if you like.I like seein and talkin about the oldest design of bow.They still hold their own today.
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Are you talking "D" profile or "D" cross section? ??? Someone asked me that when I was talking about the cross section. Pat
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D profile.
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I should think the two together "D" profile or "D" cross section make up the oldest design.
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I like the D-bow design. I've made a couple of Eastern NA style d-profile flatbows; and they're surprisingly efficient, quick to make, and easy to tiller.
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I agree with Hillbilly. I'm a fan since I use hickory.
The d-bow is very efficient if you will give it a deflex/reflex design with heat. The Cayuga bow like one of the communitybows is a very good example.
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I like them because you are less likely to get set near the handle, than a stiff-handled bow with fades. But you can still leave the handle area slightly raised and have a semi-bendy handled design that only works slightly through the handle. That has better shooting manners when you are talking about higher poundages (over 50lb).
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I also believe,the way this style bow is gripped,decides the manners of this bow,to a big extent.If a person,grips this style tightly,with a heel down style grip,it aint gonna like it.A loose,minimal contact,with a push style,has worked best fer me.Its also the way i was taught to grip this style bow,from my old Grandad,when i was a kid.
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I like em' also. IMHO a few things. Dont think they have to be reflex deflex design to shoot well but they do. Semi handle design also works but again dosen't have to be. I agree grip is important as stated, I think "handshock" as it is called , I prefer "vibration" has a lot to do with string design and material. D-bows can be shot modern style(more static) but shoot better when shot quickly. Handshock if you choose to use word isnt felt when shooting in a huntin' situation. Again IMHO tips need to be narrow with as little mass as possible and 8" or so of handle needs to be bending as little as possible. Elliptical tiller works best for me.I agree that they are easier to craft but imo a really good one takes skill. As someone on another board wrote they are forgiving of draw length inconsistencies. They are sweet an meant to hunt, that may be why its the oldest design. A few pics, some may have seen these before. Got new camera, still trying to figure it out.LOL will post more pics when I do.........bob
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Damm cmera an 'puter, sorry here are pics,I think ???..bob
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oh well forgt pics, I guess havent figured this out..........sorry >:(....bob
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Bob find a 5 year old to teach ya ;D
DanaM
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NO Sh## Dana ! Scheesch :o.bob
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One of the good things about them is that you can get a longer draw from a short bow. Thus, if the bow is about 56" for a 28" draw length, the space that you need to shoot is brought down a good 8" from that of a stiff handle. In my case, I have made a 60" long stiff handled bow and a 48" long D-profile bow, it is amazing how much easier it is to maneuver with a full foot cut off of it.
Sean
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Bob,Next time you come up I'll give you a red dot scope you can mount on that camera ;D ;D ;D
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Jeez bob I didn't mean to hit a sore spot ;)
Ain't technology wonderful.
DanaM
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Dana,
You have no ideah,how true,that statement of yers is.Or,maybe you do. :)
I know i do.Thats the embarrasin part. ::)
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I "frigured" camera out. Well, 8 year old showed me after a look of disgust at my lack of tech knowledge. :o Hey, I DID it! So see Dana I took yer advice ! ;D Pics upcomin'.....bob
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Well,
Git on with it already,wouldja. ;D
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Way to go bob, I will admit those were real nice pics of a hedge.... i think ;D
Dana
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Wow! Thats a cool backing! Seems to melt right in with the surroundings! Great camo! :o ;D ;D
The other bow seems to have fishing rod guides on it! Multi- tasking???
Just kidding of course
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Oh Tpoof an Dana ........What KINNA hedge is it since y'all find it so cool ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. an what kinna fishing rod is it carbon fiber or fiberglass an is it home made or store boughten ? Heh-heh-heh ! :P :P :P :P :P......bob
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I'll guess Ficus on the hedge. :)
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Hey watch that language! So many F-words.
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Hey Lennie..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.........bob
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No idear on the hedge but the fishing poles look suspiciously like the ones that disappeared from my house :o
You been up north bob? perhaps doing a bit of recon and sabotage hmmmm think I will get some gaurd pigs to keep an eye on things.
Dana
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From what I hear dont get guard cats. I hear they start dissapearing when PatB is arround! ;D
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favorite style i make. actually have a tough time tillering a buchanan style handle cause im used to having them bend. also im with bob on the hand shock thing. arras, string , and tip design cure that.
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Ok since u guys are so good ::)) I'll start a new thread called "MYSTERY WOOD" so I wont hijack Traxx's thread.lets see how ya do ;)....bob
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To me, there are a lot of potential variations to this profile. Here are a couple:
This is a flatbow with a narrowed handle section that works with the rest of the bow. Tim Baker says these bows 'require the highest levels of skill to tiller.' Well, thanks Tim! I don't really think it's that hard to tiller a narrowed handle so it bends. It just takes a little longer. At any rate, this is not a true 'D bow' because of the handle design--but the profile is right.
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q35/duffontap/Cascara.jpg)
Here's a warbow I suppose you all are tired of seeing. It illustrates what Jaro calls 'eclipse' tiller. That is, a circular/compass/D profile that bends the most at the tips and least at the handle. Not exactly eliptical or circular.
(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q35/duffontap/FullDraw.jpg)
J. D. Duff
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.................a d-bow some of you have seen-ipe and a piece of the mystery wood thats gonna be a d-bow ::)...bob
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Very nice bows Bob. Let's see more pictures guys.
J. D. Duff
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Here's a ERC D bow I made a few months ago. To bad it exploded in a million pieces a few weeks after I finished it....lol. Dont get erc to dry!
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Your bows are IMPRESSIVE Josh!!...REALLY COOL D-BOWS mate!!... 8)...
That´s a very very nice IPE D-bow Bob!!... :)...
Ryan,
That bow was for sure GORGEOUS mate!!...what a pity about It´s blown..!!.. :o... :-\...anyways all your bows are allways EXCELLENT, even if they blow up!!... ;)...
...So here is one of mines!!...this one was made and posted here a few monts ago (early of this year.....)...it is made out of
European Dogwood (Cornus Sanguinea), and still alive!!...NICE SHOOTER!!...look:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/Asiertxu/_Dogwood_ELB_/FD_1_1d2_1_LOW_RES.jpg)(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b388/Asiertxu/_Dogwood_ELB_/FD_1_2d2_LOW_RES.jpg)
Cheers!!
Asier.
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Nice tiller Bob. Unbacked ipe?
JD
I'd be much obliged to see a close up of your narrowed handle bow if you are able. I'm making a boo backed bulletwood for the ABC thing. Curious to see how much width taper, and how it's layed out. Got my own idea, and wonder how it stacks up to a working model.
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Yes David...............unbacked ipe....bob
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Ryan,The cedar I sent you?
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Please say no Ryan. ??? Pat
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Oh and Yes Steve that is a ficus hedge. ;)..bob
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Nice looking bow bob, I haven't built a D bow yet but I love the graceful curves of them.
JD sorry to hear she blew, Thats why I refer to bows as she or her, ya never no when thier going to
go off on ya.
DanaM
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Dana,
That's Ryan's bow that blew. Credit where it's due! ;D Not that I haven't had by share of blow-ups.
DCM,
The bow tapers from 1 1/2" at the fades to about 1" at the handle. The depth of the handle was controled by tiller.
J. D. Duff
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Beautiful work JD. That's about what I have done, but with bullet wood I don't think I'm gonna get it to work into the handle itself, but will work the fades. Thanks.
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Bob your doing good,just make sure you point the camera the right way.The bushes behind you were nice and green though.
That bow looks dangerous to Bob,better send it my way..I wouldn't want you to get hurt.
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Ray-..............I'm tryin. gettin better with camera everyday. Why today I even took snapshots and put them into computer flie,'course they were blurry, but hey picky-picky-picky. ::)Thx for comment on bow, its is dangerous at least to putt-putts n hawgs. ;D Whats weather up there like ?.................bob
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Trees are still in the buddin stage.It was 84 earlier in the week,now were back to a comfortable 60.
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Ya, Eddie thats the one. The only piece I ever worked....lol. It was a good shooter too. :-[ Yes, Pat she's no longer with us..... :'( Im trying to talk Pappy into cutting me some, its all over down there... :)
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I'll see if I can find you a better piece than that one.Pat,Don't worry,The piece you have has hardly any knots.
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Ryan, Did you notice all the posts holding up Pappy's sheds were ERC. Some nice big, straight ones too. Pat
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Pat, I noticed that. It was just sick and wrong to see them used like that with the size and how clean of knots they were. Justin
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Justin, The woods around Pappy's place were full of similar trees. There are lots of barns, sheds and fence lines made with ERC posts in the S. E. US. Pat
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We use the junipers around here for fence posts and barn posts. But you would be hard pressed to get a bow out of them because of the branches everywhere. Justin
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Thats ok Eddie, its not your fault, sometimes it just wasnt meant to be.
Pat, I did notice the posts.....lol. I even scolded Pappy for it.....Im suprized he didnt use osage...lol.
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An osage post that size would weigh at least twice what the cedar does. ;) Pappy's no dummy ::)!
...and it is rot resistant.
You know, I'd bet you could split a stave or 2 off some of them post and not hurt a thing. ;D
Pat
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Oohh! Pappy wont like that! ;D
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Pat, I thought about asking him if I could try that Southern California Native trick, where you split a stave from a live tree with horn wedges. There are some trees growing down there that had staves split out 100's of years ago. Anyway, I wanted to try it with the post that was 2nd from the food shack on the back side of the eating area. The 3rd had more knots but would have worked OK, but that second had hardly any knots. Justin
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One can imatine how hard it would be to makea rigid narrow handle using a stone scraper, which is why that style appears so seldom in more primitive cultures. I recall Jamie doing one a few years ago with stone? With the D, you can split a small diam. tree up in sparse staves and your most of the way there.
Dave
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made a hickery stave with a D profile,,strong,durable,has alittle compresion on the belly side.other then that very pleased..now on a kick,wide and flat.will let you know how they compare...................jpw