Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: leapingbare on December 09, 2010, 12:16:36 pm
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Been on a cumberland kick.
Here are two cumberlands made from KY Blue.
This cumberland is 5 inches and hase some nice color for the rock type!
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I really like this one allot!
At 6 3/8 inches its a pig!
This was a made from a supper high grade piece of KY blue!
Left some crust on the tip i tried to keep some crust on the base but just could not pull it off. if you look close you can see a color change on the tip of the ears, almost kept it.
The other cumberland in these photos is a cast of the famous cumberland found in Colbert Co. AL.
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better n the original
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Them be pretty flutes. ' Frank
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Never a let down when you show your work!
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You are the Cumberland Man! Nice ones.
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Nice. Real Nice.
I have seen you use the jig to flute yours....
How do you suppose the anchent ones were fluted? What are your thoughts on that subject?
David
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dude when you make that flute I assume you smack it pretty good...what is your holding technique for that much of a whack on the ends,,,do you bury the point end against leg and hold outer edges?.....
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I use a jig. It puts over 100lbs of presser on the nipple before the flutes come off.
Ive studied some real ones and I think they used a type of primitive jig that applied presser some way.
They were paleo indians and were hunter-gatherers i don't think they would carry around a large fluting jig from place to place so it has to be something easily made and left behind after use.
I know some knappers have used a small Green sapling with fork, they would cut a notch for the point on one fork and strap a piece of antler to the other. Then apply there body weight to make the antler make contact with the nipple and apply more weight to remove the flute. I have not seen anyone run a flute off the tip on a point over 4 inches using this method. How ever i think its on the right track. Its something I'd like to look into more.
Also from making cumberlands i have learned allot about the preform set up before the flutes and when i do my stage 3 percussion work i hold my billits on the caps and use them like hammer stones. this helps in building the median ridge aka steep diamond cross section needed for the flutes to travel to the tip.
We need time travail ;)
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awesome dude!!
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Very nice!
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nice work jesse .
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awesome as always. love to see what you come up with if you delve into a primitive jig. i tried the fork and not having much experience with flutes i wasnt very successful other than getting an average flute. something i could of achieved with direct percussion.
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Beautiful rock and Beautiful flutes, Jesse.
I would love to hear what it sounds like when one of those flute flakes is coming off. :)
What you were saying about the diamond shape of the preform is very helpful, makes a lot of sense,
and has got me thinking. (and that can be a dangerous thing ;))
But what if the Guilford people were descendants of the Cumberland and they just stopped putting
the flutes in as time went on. ::)
A time machine would certainly help. I could pick you up an hour ago. :D
Thanks for the pics, Awesome work,
Joe
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sure Joe but I probably wont be ready ;)
Sure thing Jamie. I got to see what i can come up with.
I am 99% sure they fluted with pressure. Just got to find out how.
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Jesse: Awesome work and fantastic flutes. I have a bunch of points made by J. B. Solberger when he was making fluted points and somewhere in all my junk I have one of his jigs that he gave me years ago. Just never got into learing how to use it as I was really only interested in making hunting points. If I can find it I will try to bring it to the Classic if we get to come this year! I really do appreciate your skills! A/Ho Pokie
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thats neat Joe!
Would be cool to see an origanal solberger fluting jig.
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Very nice work Jesse,they would make a heck of a knife. ;) ;D ;D
Pappy
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Thanks for the reply Jessy.
My knapping skills are still very weak so I am by no means a knapper.
Over the years I have looked at several long, fluted artifact points and came to the conclusion that some type of pressure jig must have been used. Watching you get the results you get with your jig was all the more convincing.
Might be mastaken... But I think James Parker has played around with the forked stick jig meathod....
Thanks
David
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I don't think the forked stick was what the paleo indians used.
Its not consistent, For example your need just the right stick to flute a 5 inch cumberland. if you found the right stick, that same stick would not flute a 4inch or a 6 inch because the angle would be wrong.
I could be wrong though.
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do you have a pic of this jig you talk about..would love to see it...n action...LOL...gut
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its just a solboger jig.
You can google it.
Soryy i have no pics
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went on youtube and watched a video.....never knew about that kind of jig for flintknapping...it was really interesting to watch...just makes me wonder how in the heck the paleo's did it without that kind of a jig....learn something everyday...gut
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im gonna scew around with primitive levers and see what i can come up with
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Jesse any way of getting some stages in pics??? Like biface and preform pic setting on ur solberger etc...
Russ
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spoke with jeff kalin yesterday about this topic. jeff has been knapping all abo for 35+ yrs. has travelled north and south america just to knap with others and pick up rock. as soon as i said cumberland , his eyes lit up. i asked what his thoughts were on a primitive jig and he said "why would you need a jig". the important thing is too leave em pretty thick and like jesse said it needs a diamond cross section. im still convinced that a jig was used, but it can be done by hand. im definetly gonna spend some time with this and see what i can come up with . or untill i break too many points ;D
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Check Jeff out on Youtube type in clovis Knapper and u will see him using a homemade soleberger!
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wrong jeff. kalin is from ct. ;D
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spoke with an archaelogist yesterday. she told me about a chest method that was used to flute the big points. she is going to dig up the info and send it to me. in the meantime im trying to get out of the habit of thinning my points too much so i can set up some ridges to flute. im still having a tough time getting away from running my flakes from edge to edge. went back to hammerstones too, thinking that would help build up a ridge and it has a bit. need to change my methods thats for sure.
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Jamie- Some people pray for your problems- "Running flakes from ridge to ridge) ;D
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Cool Jamie.
I know that chest crutch was used to make micro blades. I never though about fluting a cumberland that way.
I guess it could be done if enough pressure can be applied and the point supported right. Might have to be a 2 people operation.