Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: zenmonkeyman on August 18, 2010, 12:51:20 am
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For those with their finger on the pulse of the economy, I recommend the low premium over spot on gold and silver for sale at Sprott Money dot com. There's still time to protect your wealth! I hope I'm not violating any rules by posting this, I just want to alert my brothers to a good deal; and I doubt bullion sales cut into our sponsors' profits.
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When investing in metals, I actually recommend copper jacketed lead. The value of that only goes up in "interesting" times. And it has a neat conversion. It can be converted into meat, with a little sweat equity investment.
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Oh, I couldn't agree more. But when the crisis moves into rebuilding phase, the wealth you put into precious metals will become wealth again. Whatever was in various papers (cash, stocks, bonds, Tbills) will be good for bum-wiping, the carbon component of your compost heap, and fire-starting.
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Then again, it's nice to not have a crusty butt.
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True. It's the little pleasures in life that make it nice to be alive. Silver bullion tends to chafe in that situation.
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As long as I have my bow, my shotgun, and my wife's foraging/gathering prowess, we won't go hungry. That's the most important thing: eating. We've never had much cash anyway. Interesting thing about conspicuous wealth in a crisis (or after one). Tends to make you a conspicuous target.
Another thing, if we have a crisis at this stage that negates the value of currency, you might not see gold become valuable again in your lifetime. Or you might not live long enough to see it. "Gee, wish I used my money to buy ammo and arrow-building supplies. This gold just isn't edible." By the way, know what a pound of gold sells for during a famine? A slice of bread.
Not trying to defecate on your riff here, but if I'm advising anyone to buy anything for some impending crisis, it'll be dried food, ammunition, and arrow-making supplies. Bows, being quiet, will be worth their weight in, well, not gold, but flour. Or black pepper. Or salt, in some cases.
See, here's the thing about wealth. If I have a full belly, a warm fire, and shelter and can acquire those things, I am already wealthy. If I can do that in a crisis, I'm rich beyond belief.
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Deleted by popular demand.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hunting and gathering is great when you're the only one in the woods. Now imagine every American in the bush, many with attitudes to go with their guns. That squirrel you shot might be "conspicuous wealth" that could get you killed. That berry you picked might be from somebody else's "territory". There's no one thing that will get anybody through, but a good start would be:
Bullion
Weapons
Well-hidden caches
Tradeable goods
A chicken coop
A rabbit hutch
Knowledge of food preservation
As big a garden as you can manage, or better yet: several gardens hidden far off all beaten paths
And number 1: A tight group of real friends. Strength in numbers.
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Well, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm not going to spend my hard-earned money on gold. Same reason I don't buy stocks. The people advocating buying gold are usually the ones selling it.
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Well, I hope you base your strong opinion on lots of research and not just a knee-jerk "Remember 1980!" reaction. Because this isn't 1979 we're living in, it's 1929. Anybody who wants a list of links to explore can PM me and I'll pass them on.
And here's an assignment for anybody who's up for some homework: Check out how much cash the fed has printed in the last few years to give to banksters and other Ponzi fraudsters. Then ask yourself why you're working hard for the same paper. Then look up how much gold the fed has printed. My money is in metal precisely BECAUSE it was hard earned. Metal can't be printed into worthlessness.
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Um, Zen, we're treading into political talk. A no-no.
Personally, I'm investing in wood. Port Orford Cedar, Sitka Spruce, some Hickory, maybe some Ash. I get pretty good returns on my investments, too.
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Here we go again. ;D
Eddie you make a great point--------nice to have a non crusty but-------Im gonna stock up on toilet paper------maybe get a few gold bars per roll :D
When times actually get really bad-----which I believe they will---- Good friends and neighbors might be the best thing to stock up on-----I suspect in such times there will be several people looking to trade 1 bullet for everything you have stockpiled----good Idea to share
It is kind of fun to think about a post apocalyptic world where we ride around on dune buggies and choppers armored with scrap steel--------or living off the land in the woods with our clan wielding wood bows and eating grasshopper stew----- sounds fun but when survival becomes real you need to be surrounded with people you can really trust------people that see a higher purpose in life-----Hard to find good people now?------wait till our true natures are revealed through desperate times.
Dont worry
about a thing
cause every little things gonna be alright
If you have _ _ _ _ _ on your side ;)
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im with Jesse on this
in times like that its people your gonna want not gold and such silly items
Tsalagi: your not Gordon Krantz(kevin cosnters character from the movie THE POSTMAN),if your gonna steal qoute from someone
your could atleast give credit for it,plagerism is a crime ya know ;)
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Who's Gordon Krantz? Sorry, don't watch many Kevin Costner movies. The quote in my tagline? Ok, I'll change it. If it makes you happy... Oh, wait, isn't "if it makes you happy" a line from a Sheryl Crow song? Guess I can't say that, either. Oooo....I have a great new quote that's nice and odd and I'll give credit for it, too! ;D
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dman dude you cant take a little fricken joke can you
ive tried to be nice to you but screw that im done with you
you obviously read my last post,that initeself should explain whom Gordon Krantz is.
pay attention to what you read and not just take from it what you want it to say
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Sailordad, I was playing along. Sorry, but my sense of humor is as weird as I am. No offense was meant or intended (or taken). ;D Really, Sailordad, my sense of humor is just quirky like this. Just who I am. But if you want a real laugh out of me, watch me trying to do math, LOL!!! ;D
Peace,
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all right,all is forgiven
sometimes humor has a hard time being interpreted in the right context on the computer ;)
so like i said,all is forgiven
but now with the topic on hand
were talking about surving in an apocolyptice type society
which is exactly what the move "THE POSTMAN" was all about
in the movie it showed how groups of people whom could rely on each other could survive thru the toughest of times with out monetary wealth
or gold and silver boulion,as far as a crusty bum goes.well as long as there are leaves and such,im good to go.figurativly and literaly ;D
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No problem, Sailordad. :D
We need a thread over in the Cavemen and Primitive Skills Sections: Primitive toilet "paper". We don't want anyone making a decidedly bad error with poison ivy. :o
Anyone ever thought how gambling would go after the end of civilization? "Awright, I'll see your two rolls of pre-fall-o-society toilet paper and raise you two rolls and a bottle of pre-fall gen-yew-wine ketchup! The "good stuff", too, not the store brand!"
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well when the time comes,and i believe it will in our lifetimes
i am finding me some bass wood trees,mother natures toilet paper dispenser
they have large round leaves,and when the y dry they get kinda paper like
a handfull of them and you good to go,literally and figuratively
and they are not poisonous either
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Our lifetime, yes. Probably within your kids' hamster's lifetime. Here's a nice wide-ranging interview about the state of the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2D2y1ye6kc&feature=player_embedded
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;D ;D ;D See Kevan, That's what I'm talking about. Thanks for the laugh ;)
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You'll remember in the spring I tried to help you.
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That movie was supposed to be about ME, but they screwed it up in the rewrite. They need to re-do it and get Zach Galafanakis to play me, not Costner.
In the trailer, there's gonna be a scene where he kills off 10 guys for a chest of boullion only to discover it's only dehydrated soup.
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I'm with you on this, zen. I don't have any wealth to convert to gold, but I believe you are right in your assessment of the value of the dollar crumbling in the near future. Just wanted to let you know that you weren't the only one that felt this way. I believe that when the crash comes, it will happen with great swiftness. I pray to be wrong on this.
I dont think you guys are wrong about the dollar collapsing. I believe there will be one world currency in the future. Bad Idea but its where we are headed :(
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I'm with you on this, zen. I don't have any wealth to convert to gold, but I believe you are right in your assessment of the value of the dollar crumbling in the near future. Just wanted to let you know that you weren't the only one that felt this way. I believe that when the crash comes, it will happen with great swiftness. I pray to be wrong on this.
I dont think you guys are wrong about the dollar collapsing. I believe there will be one world currency in the future. Bad Idea but its where we are headed :(
yup and that EURO is working wonderfully over in europe aint it ;D
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Mostly in Greece ;)
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Zenmoneyman, know what I'll be remembering in the spring? All the firewood I cut over the summer and burned, all the mushrooms we harvested and had over the winter and still have lots left over, all the arrows I'll make over the winter waiting to be shot, all the jackrabbits and cottontails out there awaiting the Tsalagi School of Cooking, and a lot more things that make life a joy. See, Zen, I've seen this before. I'm, let's see, 43 I think (I stopped counting.) I was still a kid but saw Weather Underground, and SDS come and go, saw the back-to-the-land communes come and go, saw the 1980s survivalists come and go, saw the 1990s militias come and go, saw the Y2K Sky-Is-Falling hysteria come and go, and this is one more fad that will come and go. We will see in spring, since you've set that as a benchmark. If it happens, it happens. But if it doesn't, rest assured I will be here to say I told you so. But color me jaded when I say this "buy gold" thing is a scam of epic proportions. Here's why:
You're telling us---based on what these people tell you---that the currency is going to be worthless so soon, it's right around the corner. Ok, so then why are these people selling the gold they say is absolutely critical for survival for that worthless paper money? Hmmmm? Thought about that? If those people really knew something, they would hoard that gold and, thus, emerge successful, correct? But, no, they're exchanging that thing they say is much more valuable for that which they say is worthless. And know why that is? Because they know they're pulling another Soapy Smith scam and preying on peoples' fears. The very worst kind of con artist. They don't actually believe in what they're saying, because if they did, they'd never part with that gold. Gold is a finite commodity. I've actually been out to active gold mines and it takes a lot of earth-moving to extract an ounce of gold. But these guys are exchanging that for that paper money they're telling you is worthless. Logic informs you right away of the swindle. Just like Soapy Smith got people to pay $5 for a bar of soap in the late 1800s in the off chance (actually impossible chance, because Soapy rigged the game) that they might get $100 for their investment. This is no different. If the currency does collapse and society does crash, all the gold in FT Knox won't get you a sack of wheat. These charlatans know that, too.
So, no, I learned a long time ago that if something sounds like a scam, it usually is. People are scared, and here come the wolves to fleece the sheep with this "buy gold" scam that used to be confined to the pages of rags like National Enquirer and Argosy magazine "back in the day" (the 1970s.) LIke I said, Zen, I've seen this before. Survivalists and their South African gold kruggerands. And after the USSR collapsed, you almost couldn't give kruggerands away. The classified ads were full of them for sale.
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Thanks, Tsalagi, but I'd already determined that your opinion is a knee-jerk reaction, remember? ;D
Thanks Jesse and Scott, I was feeling pretty lonely here. I feel like it's my Christian duty to warn folks, but it's a hard sell, especially when a Tsalagi or two start in. I too hope things will turn around but remember that line from Rocky about hoping in one hand, and doing "something else" in the other? I especially worry about folks carrying debt. You know darn well the banks will call in the loans the instant caviar starts to increase in price. Maybe our governments will do the right thing for once and protect the debtors. That's a pretty big maybe, though, since the banks own our governments.
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Ok, Zenmonkeyman, now I'm calling you on this post. Here's a copy of the first two rules for this forum:
Rule #1
NO discussion of politics
Rule #2
NO discussion of religion
I might agree with you on a couple points you just made. But is this the place to discuss that? No, the rules clearly state it is not.
As far as me "starting in", well, I call 'em like I see 'em. If it looks like a scam and sounds like a scam, it probably is a scam. The same bankers you're on here whining about are the same one involved with this gold-selling scam. I looked them up, Zen. They're all former bankers or involved with banks in some fashion. Yeah, the paper money will soon be worthless, but these swell guys are willing to take your worthless paper money and give you the gold that will be the difference between life and death this spring, according to your timeline. Yeah, they must be doing that out of the goodness of their hearts. Gosh, they must just be the sweetest people, helping little old ladies acorss the street and kissing puppies and selling gold. You forget, I live in Arizona, that was once the capitol of gold scams. You can't read Arizona history without hearing about gold scams. This is the same scam, just dusted off and made new.
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Agree or disagree,let keep this nice,I almost know where this is going,please don't let that happen,or it won't last much longer.Thanks in advance. :)
Pappy
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On an entirely unrelated note, has anybody ever seen a drunk spread oil on an ice rink and then tap dance? It's pretty funny, let me tell you! Until, that is, he blames the music.