Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: zenmonkeyman on March 31, 2010, 04:14:57 pm
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Give it forty years and gold or money will be among the last things on anyone's mind (other than big corporations, that is).
There'll be 18 billion people on the planet. Water and space to live will be the main problems facing mankind then. Those of us with the ability to find/hunt our own food now, will have a head start on the masses.
God bless capitalism... we'll be paying for it forever... :-\
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hatcha i have to disagree with you
gold has always been highly sought after and always will be
as it is a rare metal
when the time comes in forty years and there are 18billion people
those people as you said will will be needing water,space to live and food
those that have gold will always have all that stuff
it always has been that way,always will be that way.well as long as human kind is in charge
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40 years from now I will most likely be dead :)
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I understand what you're saying and where you're coming from, Sailor but it's from an historical viewpoint. If you're nursing a dwindling supply of fresh, clean water, how much gold would it cost someone to fill a canteen from it? Gold is a "precious metal" - precious because mankind has made it so. Historically, mankind has had an abundance of drinking water available to him. When good drinking water becomes a scarcity, what use is all the gold in the land to the average Joe, trying to eek out an existence with the meagerest of resources?
You might say "but he could buy water with gold..." and again, I'd ask "how much water would someone part with, for something as trivial (cos let's be honest... it IS trivial) as little more than something nice to look at?"
Vicious circles abound, I think :-\
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If money in general is going to be useless, why not be safe and put some of it in gold and silver? I think it's a good part of a balanced armageddon portfolio, along with a hunting bow, cabin in the woods, and a lingerie model. ;D
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i like most of that zen
however the lingerie model is gonn a be a high maintenance item
shes gonna also be a whiney little b*tch that will slow ya down,ruin many a hunt etc
better off with something a little more practical
a woman whom can clean a beast and cook it will be much better in a situation like that ;)
then when thats done,she can stretch the hide and tan it too ;D
make you a new quiver and loin cloth from it
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Now here's my precious metals sales pitch:
Dear Friends,
The metal to invest in is not gold. It's lead, along with some copper and brass in preformatted assemblies known as cartridges. That is the metal to invest in. Lead, my friends! Number #6 12 gauge shotshells for small game, #1 buckshot and up for other situations. And some 230 grain hardball for the Sig P220 for those of you fortunate enough to own the world's best handgun. Lead! Beautiful, copper-jacketed lead! And ten'll get ya twenty that one good .30 caliber semi-jacketed softpoint will put meat in your hide-away while the rest of the poor saps are wheelbarrowing gold coins down to hopefully buy the last loaf of Wonderbread for $968.65 after society does its best impression of Somalia circa 1990s.
My dear friends, lead won't let you down. It only increases in value, especially when you really need it. When you need lead, gold just won't do. Imagine those poor suckers that socked away all those gold coins when the signs at the last remaining markets say "BARTER ONLY---NO CURRENCY---LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT!" Indeed, those poor souls will find it hard to eat gold and, what's more, gold is rather hard to chamber in a Remington 870. But lead! Ah, my friends, that's the stuff dreams are made of! If not dreams, then certainly meat---provided you're any kind of a shot.
You see, my friends, others will not have the foresight to have invested in lead. They'll think that the dollar does a belly-flop on a Thursday and by Friday, everyone will be politely queueing in line to inquire as to where they might obtain some food, perchance, without any rude shoving or waving about of various and sundry forms of weaponry. They'll think that the rather helpful soldiers and mercenar---er, private military contractors---will dutifully arrive to ensure that no line-jumping or rude gestures occur and that said armed personnel will not use such a time to secure the foodstuffs for themselves. After all that has never happened before has---hey, no one brought up Somalia here! Oops, it appears I did. But I digress. Yes, indeed, these people will think after the dollar collapses they can continue to read People magazine and return to watch Seinfeld reruns on cable. But, I say unto you the wise will have invested in lead for such times.
One might even say that the miniseries "Jericho" gave an excellent picture indeed of precisely what might happen in a societal collapse. In fact, one might also say that's why that series got yanked right off television so quickly. A bit too realistic, what?, certain powers-that-be might have said. Especially the parts about what the government might do in such situations. Or, perhaps, what several armed entities each calling themselves the government might do. Indeed, just a bit TOO realistic. Can't afford to have people saying, "Hey...yeah....seems that's exactly what might happen..." and tuning in next week to see exactly what WOULD happen in such situations. Yep, ahem, cough, cough, nothing to see here folks, move along. And was gold worth anything in the fictional town of Jericho? No. Seems to me their big barter medium turned out to be salt.
So my friends, invest in lead. For less than the price of a few tarnished Kruggerands, you can purchase a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and enough LEAD to last you through whatever misfortunes ill winds carry our way. Or, for less than the price of some mini-ingots of gold, you could have a Remington 870 in your safe and a LTL delivery truck beep-beeping as it backs up to your garage to offload a pallet of 12 gauge shells. Yes, friends! Ask about the per-pallet prices!
LEAD! Real metal for real people!
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Actually the shotgun shell to invest in is the .410. You can order them in brass or a boatload from Russia in steel. Very easy to reload.
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That makes sense and the .410 is a good gun. I'm just attached to my Rem870 in 12. Jackrabbits do not get away with that. A lot of meals in a jackrabbit, so I'm getting a pretty good return for each shell.
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A) Let's not fall off into a political hole on this one. :)
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I'll have to cast a vote for investing in flint and sinew. It's quiet enough not to notify all your enemies in the area >:D And I hate bloodshot meat 8)
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Interesting. I really dont think it pays to worry about stuff like this. I would think in a hypothetical future situation like this the people that will do best are those that are very simple. Those who are paranoid and stock up and hoard stuff for themselves will be the targets. After going to Haiti I realize that people can survive on almost nothing and still be happy. Sharing with your neighbors would be more important to survival than having more gold or water than them. At some point people just take what they need and if you have what they need it will be taken guns or no guns.
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... Sharing with your neighbors would be more important to survival than having more gold or water than them. ....
Exactly.
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Well said Jesse, if one wants to stock up than stock up on knowledge and skills :)
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It's fun to daydream about what might happen in this situation where society falls and reverts back to simpler, more primal ways, but it's not going to happen, at least not in any of our lifetimes. And I can't say why though, without getting political, so I'll just leave it at that. ;)
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gotta respond to that "won't happen in our lifetime" with a mention of supervirus and or plant virus or fungi (like the great potato famine) could crush our fragile entangled urban centers and leave things pretty disfunctional, then disease and so on will be poorly controlled, all the while most the populous can't even feed themselves without a walmart. There's some serious concerns about the next great virus. Could happen tomorrow, could be a million years. who knows Just think how we'd feed everyone if wheat got wiped out. monoculture crops are a catastrophe just waiting to happen. just my two cents... I'm just trying to be optimistic in my own anarchist way >:D
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Support local agriculture. ;D Tomatoes that taste like a tomato and not water in a pinkish wrapper. ;D
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dont eat them,tomatos
too harsh on my tummy ;D
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I love 'em! I get a nice Cherokee Purple heirloom tomato, slice it, put some extra virgin olive oil on it, grind some pepper over it, a little sea salt and I am content. ;D
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dang, and my summer expedition means that I won't have time to plant any maters, my favorite fruit. Maybe I'll just put em on auto water and have a jungle when I get back :'(
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I'm with Tsalagi, Bang, now get your cold dead hands off of my garden, and water supply. Hmmm, that gold you had in your pocket, will melt down for my muzzle loader. 8) Yep, I have a couple of o3-a3's, Spanish Mauser's, and some others, plus the 870, and some muzzle loaders. Oh,yeah, I will take lead over gold. ;) There is very little original Colonial American pewter. Because the British, stopped supplying us with lead, and powder, so we found bat guano in caves, which has a very high Potassium Nitrate content, and we made our own black powder, but I am not sure where they got the sulphur, but they melted down the pewter, till we could find supplies of lead, or get it from the French. 8)
Wayne
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Well said Jesse, if one wants to stock up than stock up on knowledge and skills :)
agreed. i was thinking the other day, as long as you KNOW, then its a little easyer to make due because you can utalize everything. however i would personally rather have a .22 bolt action and about 5 thousand rounds. ;D that would last me long enough to get a bow and arrow made lol.
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I second the .22 notion, I'd definately bring my survival .22 that weighs about 1 pound since I leave the stalk off and just tie a stick to it when I need to use it.
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The whole concept is comic to me. If society were to crash and burn, wildlife would be almost extinct in a matter of months. I guarantee that every guy with a rifle would be out shooting deer left and right. You would probably be out of deer before you run out of ammo, I know I would.
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Yah I was thinking about that and the following progression to canabalism myself...yuck
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That's why I forage. Hunting is only part of the equation. ;D
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Deer?,, Just think about all the stupid cows?
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Deer, Elk, Antelope,Moose, Bison, Cows?!!! Why go huffing and puffing up and down hills, and in and out of forrests, and running around in a pasture?
It is easier to get food at the zoo........ ::) Hmmmm, Penguin, and rice, with a tomato sauce, and a garlic, lime and butter sauce to dip it in......should taste like fishy turkey. :P Hmm, where are the Gemsbok......Nice horns for a bow...... ;) Oooooo a Water Buffalo !! :o Would be sorta like being at Red Lobster, and looking at the tank with the lobsters......Hmmmm I'll take that three pounder...... ;D Uh Oh.......!! Somebody let the Lions out....... :o Hmmm, aren't they supposed to taste good too? ::) Dang!! I wonder how many 30-06 rounds an Elephant can take? ::) Have to use the full jackets in the head. ;) Not to mention the cool Lizard, and snake skins...... 8)
Wayne
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You guys are overlooking house cats. Everything you need! Cat gut for guitar/bow strings, fur for hats, booties, and string silencers, or you can felt the fur and use the skin for rawhide or leather, If you stuff the heads they'd make nice ornaments for your rear view mirror, or possibly baseballs, you could use the claws to make those nasty festering arrowheads like halfeye showed us a while back, not to mention the obvious meat aspect. But the best thing is, you could sew up the skin into a purse to hold your pretty, glittering, useless GOLD.
Apologies to Del for this post. ;)
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Don't forget dog! Plenty of mutts running around.
"A dog is a fine meal."
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You guys are overlooking house cats. Everything you need! .
Apologies to Del for this post. ;)
now i was expecting that to come from patb >:D
i doubt the time for all of this will come any time in the near future, but for the folks that have what it takes to make it kinda like imagening it because for once we would be the ones on top of the world. just my oppinion. O:)