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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: riarcher on March 17, 2010, 08:12:54 pm

Title: longitudinal grain? UGH!
Post by: riarcher on March 17, 2010, 08:12:54 pm
Okay, follow / chase a ring. that's one thing.
But on a maple stick(?) longitudinal grain (LG) it seems not as easy at all.
Once it's barked I can vaguely see about where to go with it. However, once I got started I'm not so positive that I acually am still on the right path.  :o
Roughed the belly in pretty easy with a machetti and feel comfortable with it so far. It is green and just want to rough it in to dry quicker.
But, when I went for the sides I sort of feel lost. It's all looking very much the same to me.
What am I missing?
Admittedly, this is a sacrificial (not expecting much) experiment. I kind of see the LG but it's not as defined as ring chasing and not so absolutely sure that what I'm looking at is other than a imaginary "hope it's right" thing.
I'm sure there has got to be a better way than by guess & by gosh?
Would it show it's self better when dry to the knife?
(Short version,,, I think I'm lost  ::))
Title: Re: longitudinal grain? UGH!
Post by: yazoo on March 17, 2010, 09:15:58 pm
I made some maple blanks this week,,longitutal grain hard to see,,If you are working a stave that has been split,,split it down to a 2in wide stave,,center your bow in that 2in stave,,,mark a center line from tip to tip layout your bow out off that mark and your longitutal grain has been followed with out ever actually seeing it
Title: Re: longitudinal grain? UGH!
Post by: riarcher on March 17, 2010, 09:41:11 pm
Thanks Yazoo.
I almost went that way, but figured it was too easy to be right.  ;D
Going to give it a whirl in the morning.
Thanks.
Title: Re: longitudinal grain? UGH!
Post by: George Tsoukalas on March 17, 2010, 10:09:23 pm
You do the best you can. May be this will help. This is hickory. Jawge
http://georgeandjoni.home.comcast.net/~georgeandjoni/layout.html
Title: Re: longitudinal grain? UGH!
Post by: riarcher on March 18, 2010, 08:21:20 am
Thanks George.
Thinking Maple may not have been a good choice to begin with.
I can see grain on that hickory pretty good.  :D
Title: Re: longitudinal grain? UGH!
Post by: islandpiper on March 18, 2010, 09:22:41 am
OK, I've got my hard hat and eye protection on, so I'll ask this question:

Did our Native American predecessors "chase rings", did they sit in dim wigwams or in variable outside lighting and fret about each bit of annual fiber, scraping away with a piece of stone without the benefit of bi-focals?  Or did they simply start with a nice split of wood, smooth the back, scrape the belly to get an acceptable tiller and go hunting? 

Not being a smart A$$ here......just really curious if all this lost sleep over a maple stick is worthwhile?  What you give to drop back a thousand years and sit around the fire with a N.A. Bowyer and watch him work? 

piper  (sorry i have been out of sight here for a while......lot's of things happening here )
Title: Re: longitudinal grain? UGH!
Post by: George Tsoukalas on March 18, 2010, 09:27:21 am
It depends on which wood they used, islandiper. I've seen photos of osage bows scraped to a heartwood ring (Hamm's Encyclopedia of Native American Bows and Arrows Vol 1).  Whitewoods like hickory don't need to be brought to heartwood ring. Take off the bark and make a bow.  As for the long. grain, tey didn't use saws so it would split along that grain. Als, they used saplings a lot so again long. grain would not be an issue. :) Jawge
Title: Re: longitudinal grain? UGH!
Post by: gutpile on March 18, 2010, 10:56:50 am
on maple you don't have to chase a ring anyway..just remove bark and walla..there is your back...Native Americans usually used sapling for their bows not trunk staves....splitting the stave will show you the longitudinal grain..gut