Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Pappy on March 17, 2010, 07:00:30 am
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Gary made it down Monday night and Tuesday we went to work on the backwards Osage bows,
They worked out great,These were split from a small Osage tree,right down the pith.Then just flattened out with a rasp.now ring chased on the back.The bark/sap wood side is the belly.They have 3 layers of sinew but I think it could be done without doing that.It is kind of like a decrowned stave.
Here are some pictures of the bows.We both still new to do the finish work but they both shoot great and have been shot in.Gary's was 66 n-n and started with 1 1/2 inch of reflex and wound up with about 1/2 in.right after unstringing mine started with 1 inch of reflex and flat right after shooting.Both recover almost all of the reflex after a little rest time. This is just another option
for small Osage that you don't want to glue a handle section on. :) Gary's finished 55@ 27 and mine 53@26. I also fliped the tips on mine,learned that you can still heat one if you go slow and easy with sinew on.
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A few more of shooting them.I will get back when we get the skins on and the rest of the finish work done. :)
Pappy
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Lookin' good
Del
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Cool bows Pappy, looks like you and Gary spent some quality time together :)
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Cool little bows Pappy. ;D
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Looks really good.
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Really nice lookin bows Pappy and what an interesting way to go about it,its going to be a good while before I have the skills to pull something like that off. :)
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Good to see the Old guys out there shootin, nice bows as always! ;D
It's still funny seeing Gary wearing bibs!
Good shootin, and Happy St. Patricks,
Steve
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Nice job pappy, Good looking bows. Good for you guys doing something different.
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Those are cool! Great job I really never thought you could do it that way. I'm always learning and that's part of what makes it so fun.
Mark
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They look great Pappy....now We can even make Bows from the Limbs we used to burn..... ;D
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Lookin good Pappy, you guys finished them up pretty quick
VB
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Very cool, thanks for sharing this. Did you say that you flipped the tips with the bow already backed with sinew? What kind of glue did you use, and how slow did you go? That is really interesting. I'm working on a sinew backed osage and might want to flip the tips post sinew.
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You Guys sure do that Osage right :) Phillip
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Those are some very interesting bows. I'm a fan of the decrowned bows and those are great. I would have liked to seen the results without the backing added. Well done.
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nice bows guys!!! this is off the point,but the man with out the beard , I met you at hawkeye this past summer you gave me some pointers on my black locust self bow, I want to thank him the bow shoots great!!!! I have to hide it from my buddys!!!!!!!!!! I hope to go back to hawkeye again this summer! and would like to sit in a class and maybe make an ossage bow too thanks so much !!!!!! JEFF W
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Good looking bows there, Pappy. Jawge
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Thanks guys,it was fun,ya VB we work pretty fast with no distractions.Rick it was hide glue,You just hold the heat gun about 8/10 inches and heat slow,it took about 10 minutes to get it hot enough to bend. Bullitt he always wears bibs when he is in TN. ;) ;D ;D that's about all I wear when I am away from work. Jeff that was Gary Davis and he always goes to Hawkeye and yes he is a wealth of knowledge and more than willing to share.I never really sat down and built a bow with him but have learned a lot from him over the years,That was one reason we wanted to do this ,to see our different styles.Not a lot of differences in how we go about it just a little difference in the tools we use and how we use them. Some people think the way they do it is the only way/or the best way but we have figured out there is more than one way to skin a cat,no real right or wrong way,Just different ways.What ever works for you is the right way. :)
Pappy
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Congrats Pappy, glad you got to spend time and work with Gary. Very novel bows. I made one decrowned bow from a small osage pole, never thought of doing it like you did. I like the look of the bark on the handle. Thanks for shareing. Kenneth
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These are two really nice bows, really great tiller profiles!
Wouldn't expect less from to master bowyers like you guys are...
Is that really bark at the handle??
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Yes that is bark on mine,Gary's handle was sap wood,he had to take the bark off the size it down.Thanks. :)
Pappy
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A termanology guestion: When you say decrown are you talking about flattening the back of the bow or making it concaved? Pappy in chasing the growth ring on the inside of the tree, did the back of the bow turn out slightly concaved?
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Good work, I had the pleasure of meeting gary and watching him work at Mojam one year. he really knows his stuff. Fine gentleman as well. Steve
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that is pretty excelent! i never knew sage sap wood was good for anything! Ty
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hedge, making it flat,someone can probably explane it better than me,but basically you take the crown off and you will have the longitudinal grain running the length of the bow,kind of like a board.The back was concaved a little right where the pith was in the center .Even tho these had sinew on them I think it can be done without sinew. :)
Pappy
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Thanks, Pappy, I have a couple smaller sappling staves. I was thinking about sanding them flat and backing them with hickory, but they're slight snaky. So, it would be nearly impossible keep from having run-offs with the hickory backing. UNLESS, I spent alot of time straightening the osage sappling stave. The process you did might just be my answer.
I love the bark on the handle of your bow. Cool touch.
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Here ya go,found it.
Pappy
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thanks pappy! yr my hero today!
gonna print this off along with the other thread and take to class.
shld provide some good discussion fodder...
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nice looking bows, was that you're own idea or do others do it this way? its good to see original thinking.... theres always many ways to do things ,its not good to get stuck in one way, thanks
Dave
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Cool Pappy.. Really like those two sticks!
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Really nice looking bows.Like the bark on the handle.
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Great looking bows made by two good men! Both of you are doing a lot for primitive archery.
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Thanks Badger back at ya :-[:) :), dragonman it was a joint idea but I am very very sure we weren't the first,we were just trying to find a way to use small diameter Osage and not have to leave the sap wood on.This way you can split it down the middle and chase a ring from the inside.A lot of times if yo chase from the outside of a small tree by the time you get the sap wood off you don't have enough left for the bow. :) :)
Pappy