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Title: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 26, 2009, 05:01:58 pm
I have been such a wreck thelast two Days with my Son Stranded in the Christmas Blizzard...I could not just sit around...or pace till I wore My Socks out....So I went out into the  Garage and fumbled through my Staves for a piece of Wood that I didn't care if it broke or not.....I found this Piece of Wood that I cut in a Canyon here in the Panhandle two Years ago....no Idea what it is...maybe you can Help me out... ;)

 I laid it out so that the Natural bend in this little Sapling will be an Arrow Shelf of sorts...as you can see I am going to have to heat it a Bit to get the String to line up a bit better than it is right now....but I am leaning towards letting the String ride the left side to reduce Paralax...plus I like Bows that are pushing the edge a bit!!

The Bow is 63 inches NTN....1 inch at the Grip...tapering to 1 3/4" at the Fades....than it stay as close to the Natural width as possible all the way to the last 4 inches ...where I started to taper the Limbs down to the 1/2" Tips....I am shooting for a 55 pound Bow with a 28 inch Draw...but will settle for 26 if thats all I can get from it without stressing it too much....

Whatever this wood is ...it is some really springy Wood...Has beautiful Grain and color too....the Tree grows in small Groves....seeming to spread out every Year from the Clump.... It has fine grained dark Grey Bark...and Berries that turn bright Yellow and Transparent in the Falls....Maybe Hillbilly can help me figure out what it is...and if this one Works...I know where I can get a Life's Worth of it!! Check it out and give Me any input that you have....and I will be updating it as soon as l let it acclimate after heating the Handle and bending the Upper Limb .....and Thank You All for your Prayers and Thoughts when My Son was in Natures Grasp for the Last two Day....God Bless

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: rockhound34 on December 26, 2009, 05:09:36 pm
 ??? That looks like osage to me.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: rockhound34 on December 26, 2009, 05:10:54 pm
Mulberry
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 26, 2009, 05:26:45 pm
Well Guys....It ain't Osage...has yellow berries....ain't Mulberry either...cause their berries are like a Raspberry...and messy as all get out...these Berries are smooth and turn clear...you can see through them to the seeds inside when they are dry.....
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: acker on December 26, 2009, 05:52:48 pm
The wood looks allot like sambucus to me.It might be "sambucus canadensis aurea" that  has yellow berries.
Sambucus nigra is a good bow wood, good in tension and under pressure made a few good bows out of it but I never worked with the yellow one.
Gruß acker
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 26, 2009, 06:09:56 pm
Nope...not Elder either...too Tall ....the Trees in this 1/2 acre clump were all at least 20 foot tall........

Man I just got through heating the Wood till I could not touch it....and I had two 5 Quart Oil Jugs hanging from the Limb while I heated it for 5 minutes to make sure that I got good heat penetration....I left the Jugs hanging until it cooled for an Hour...removed them and the Limb had not moved a centimeter....any Suggestions??
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Swamp Bow on December 26, 2009, 06:32:23 pm
Man I just got through heating the Wood till I could not touch it....and I had two 5 Quart Oil Jugs hanging from the Limb while I heated it for 5 minutes to make sure that I got good heat penetration....I left the Jugs hanging until it cooled for an Hour...removed them and the Limb had not moved a centimeter....any Suggestions??

Steam?

Swamp
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sulphur on December 26, 2009, 08:49:18 pm
Destructo- i have know idea what wood that is.  but i did grow up in the panhandle (pampa) i do have an idea about blizzards.  Be glad you had something to work on, not too many trees in that part of the world.  Now that i live in east tex i do take full advantage of the local osage!!  I also think steam may be your only option.  i don't like steam on seasoned wood, but what else can you do?
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 26, 2009, 08:55:50 pm
Damn a Pampa Harvester....alright!! I have no Idea what this Wood is...but I am sure that if You remember traveling the Road from Papa to McLean...and seeing the Clumps of Trees that the Cattle hung out under...the ones with all of the Bottom Branches knocked off by the Cattle....thats the kind of Tree it was...most of the pastures from McLean to Shamrock have at least one Clump of these growing in it too.... Where in East Texas did You move to?? And is it nice and Green with Trees and Water....... ??? If so....I am sooooo Jealous!!
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sailordad on December 26, 2009, 09:04:04 pm
Mike i hae absolutely no idea on what type of wood that is
but itlooks like yo have it bending nice and even right now
i think i would let that one be a democrat since its leaning a little to the left ;D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 26, 2009, 09:09:29 pm
                                    Now thats Funny....Even though it's Political............. >:D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sulphur on December 26, 2009, 09:51:35 pm
mostly i remember the elm and pecan trees.  i moved just east of dallas (sulphur springs) when i got married. I remember lost of low brush and stunted trees all leaning to the northeast because of the constant 50 mph winds.  if it works it works though.   "Go Harvesters
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: dismount on December 27, 2009, 12:29:55 am
El D, I grew up cattle farming in N. Ok. Everyone had those tight clumps and all the cattle hung around them. They never grew any where else except in the grove. None of the other farmers knew what they are either. Most of them farmers didn't give a crap about what kind of trees they were. I thougth they were cool.  I've been checking the threads the whole time with my butt drawd up between my shoulder blades waiting for your son to get home. Congrats!   Phil
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: George Tsoukalas on December 27, 2009, 12:51:21 am
I was figuring on osage or mulberry.  So if it is not that then I don't know. But I do know that bow is sure nice! Jawge
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: hawkbow on December 27, 2009, 01:01:13 am
 looks like a real nice bow to me.. look forward to seeing it with some blood on it.. Hawk
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: zenmonkeyman on December 27, 2009, 01:04:50 am
Western Soapberry?

http://texastreeid.tamu.edu/content/TreeDetails/?id=116

Or check out the rest of Texas' indigenous trees at

http://texastreeid.tamu.edu/content/listOfTrees/
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 27, 2009, 02:52:04 am
Hey Zen....Your a Friggin Genius!! Thats it....Soapberry....Thank You for your interest and input....The Bark is right ...the Berries are correct....the growing in Clumps is correct....the only thing is they are no where near as big as what they say they get...but then I am sure that growing in a dense Thicket limits the size that they can attain also!....So....Haas anyone ever used Western Soapberry before??? Or am I going to be setting a new Bow Wood into being??

Dismount....Thank You for being one of the People worrying along with Me about My Son...I appreciate it...believe Me!

Jawge...thank You for your compliment..I will try my best to make this a Bow worthy of Your remark

Hawk...if it works out to be a Shootable Bow....I will use it on a Turkey as soon as Spring Season opens up!!
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on December 27, 2009, 06:51:06 am
looks like a good use of your time Mike :)
And a perfect way to get ones mind off of worrying eh, Glad he made it home and hope ya all had a good Christmas :)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: ricktrojanowski on December 27, 2009, 08:11:16 am
Glad your son made it home safe, that will be a really hard learning moment.  The bow is looking nice, looking forward to seeing it finished.  Soapberry?,  my guess was Southewestern Digleberry.  Oh well what do I know.  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: dismount on December 27, 2009, 10:24:44 am
NOt to beat this subject into the ground, but my daughter who I paid 60,000.00$ for a horticulture degree, told me Okies call the tree Chinaberry. Also don't eat the berries they are posion!!!
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: mox1968 on December 27, 2009, 10:52:00 am
glad your son is ok look forward to seeing the finished bow looks good.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 27, 2009, 10:56:46 am
Dismount...I have seen these Trees also...but the One that I harvested had Yellow Berries on it....but instead of Being a solid Yellow with one large seed in them....this Trees Seeds were Yellow....see through....and have multiple seeds inside of each Berry that resemble Grape Seeds....So I am sticking with the Soapberry so far....

Thanks all of You for your Support...as for Christmas...We opened Gifts Christmas Night right before Midnight...but are having Our Christmas Dinner today...with everyone coming this Afternoon
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 27, 2009, 01:01:09 pm
Here is where I am so far...Just scraped a little more on it...and I am still trying to get the Cambium scraped off without gouging into the First Ring under it...I left the Bark on this one too Long!!

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sailordad on December 27, 2009, 02:40:41 pm
Mike,looking great so far
i like a little cambium on stick bows.makes them look a little more natural
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: hedgeapple on December 27, 2009, 03:05:38 pm
Good luck with this bow.  I'm interested in seeing it finished. Dave
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 27, 2009, 05:46:00 pm
I like the Cambium too...but this is about 1/8" thick ...so it has to go.... I have it out to 60 pounds at 25" draw...but I am afraid that since I do not know for sure what Wood this is....that I may be overloading it....so I think that I am going to nock it back to 50-55 pounds....You can also see how offset the String is to the Left Side....Take a Look and see what you think about it

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sailordad on December 27, 2009, 05:56:04 pm
Mike i think that bow is looking great,i would like i said leave the string like it is and give it the name i suggested  ;D >:D
if the cambium is that thick i too would try and get rid of most of it.
i have spent about 10 hours on a hhb stave trying to get rid of most of the cambium
good thing i am not in a hurry to make a bow with it right now.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 27, 2009, 06:04:20 pm
The more that I tiller this Bow...the more the Cambium is peeling off...a lot like Vine Maple does....so maybe I won't have to scrape it all off....now I need to plan on what I am going to do with the Tips...Carve them...or put Horn or Bone Overlays...ain't quite decided that yet...
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Lombard on December 27, 2009, 07:08:38 pm
I've been working some Persimmon. It has a yellowish tint, and the berries are yellow to
pale orange when ripe. Persimmon has distinct bark. Any photos of the bark?
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on December 27, 2009, 07:28:38 pm
Don't know about the species of the wood Mike but ifin ya cut anymore get me one eh ;D
Looking really nice tiller is sweet as for overlays I would go with horn of some type.
I am curious as to the wood species, I like seeing bows made from the unordinary :)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 27, 2009, 08:47:07 pm
As for a Bark Photo...to late...... ;D....but the Bark was Grey/Black....had vertical cracks in it...and was broken into small Squarish figures all the way up and around...The Berries are see through...it may be Persimmon...but does it grow in Groves...really close together??
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Lombard on December 27, 2009, 10:55:13 pm
They grow swiftly, and are immune to the usual delicacy of trees planted in unpredictable climates. They are one of the last trees to leaf out in the spring, and do not flower until well after the leaves have formed, bypassing the threat of blossom loss to frosts. The fruit hangs on the branches long into the winter. Because they grow swiftly and colonize off their root systems, they are ideal for helping recover habitat.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: woodstick on December 27, 2009, 10:58:58 pm
dont know what it is but i looks good. aint nutting better to do on a cold day.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sailordad on December 27, 2009, 11:07:40 pm
dont know what it is but i looks good. aint nutting better to do on a cold day.

yup sure beats the heck out of blowing sbnow 5 times in 4 days and spending hours shoveling off the roof
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: FlintWalker on December 28, 2009, 12:00:56 am
I promise it's NOT persimmon. ;)
  What ever it is...It's lookin gooood.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: mullet on December 28, 2009, 02:12:28 pm
 It looks like Chinaberry to me. Was the bark slippery when you took it off? When Chinaberries get old, to can see through them. And do you ever see little purple flowers on them in the Spring and early summer?   I just went to that Texas tree site. I think your first choice was right,Soapberry. It says it is often confused with Chinaberry. Chinaberry is in the  Mohogany family.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 30, 2009, 05:24:47 pm
Eddie...I didn't take the Bark off till I started on the Bow...It was so damned Dry it didn't want to come off at all...I am playing Hell getting the Cambium to come off at all!! I got put on 12 Hour Nights on an Emergency Repair Job....so I am limited to how much I can work on this...I was going to Tiller it some more...but I looked at it this Morning when I came Home...and it was SCREAMING....Flip My Tips....so I did....what do you think?? It also has a Natural Dip in one Limb that I was going to Heat Out....but this Wood....whatever it is....does not Like Heat at all....When I flipped the Tips I got small cracks all over the Place...It takes so much heat to get it to move a smidgen that it scorches no matter what you use...but I got them done...Super Glued the Crack...which will probably be gone once I finish Tillering...but to be on the Safe Side ...I glued them up....Should I take this little Wookie out of that Limb or just not Push Fate...and leave it be what it is....a Ginky Bow...... :P

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Jesse on December 30, 2009, 06:37:58 pm
looking really good.  Cant wait to see it all finished.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 30, 2009, 06:50:10 pm
Well just to keep You from being Disappointed....There ain't going to be no Eye Candy here....you know Me....I go for Useability and Dependability...Purty never enters the Equation.............. ;D............... ;)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sailordad on December 30, 2009, 07:08:52 pm
dang mike that looks nice wit ththe tips flipped like that
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: tombo on December 30, 2009, 07:27:23 pm
El D, I'm in S. Tex but a friend from your parts describes an 'shinry' ??  tree that grows like you described. Dunno...OUT. Tom
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 30, 2009, 07:32:12 pm
El D, I'm in S. Tex but a friend from your parts describes an 'shinry' ??  tree that grows like you described. Dunno...OUT. Tom

Thats a New One on Me....might ask Him how it's spelled...because that and any combination I have tried...comes up Blank.. ???
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: tombo on December 30, 2009, 07:42:59 pm
Shinree ?? (sp)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 31, 2009, 07:40:44 pm
Well I let it rest one day from when I bent the Tips....maybe I should have waited longer..... :P...here is where I am now...Hope You Guys have a Happy New Year...I'll be thinking about it ...as I am running a 150 ton Crane in the Snow for 12 Hours tonight...... I still have not decided what to do with the Tips yet...but I know that the Handle is getting a Leather Buildup and a nice Elk Hide Wrap when it's done...

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sailordad on December 31, 2009, 07:46:34 pm
Mike
that stick looks better and better each time you post a pic
cant wais to see it finished
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 31, 2009, 07:47:40 pm
Just wish I could get that Cambium off...I am afraid that if I don't it's going to Peel and ruin my Finish on it....
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on December 31, 2009, 07:55:44 pm
Looks good Mike but you sure thats not Osage ;) :D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on December 31, 2009, 07:58:02 pm
                                 I wish it was Osage...at least then it would have bent before it Toasted........ >:D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 05, 2010, 04:52:32 pm
Well after I flipped the Tip and they dried...I noticed some small cracks from Bending...and I didn't want to take off any more wood and makes the Tips work more than They already do...so I Sinewed them today to help support them ...plus maybe make them just a bit more Static than Working...we'll see what happens after They dry enough to work on again....OK all you Sinew Experts...How long should I wait on Tip Wraps before I can start tillering again?? I know how long to go on a whole Sinew Backing...but this is only One layer of Backstrap Sinew....so what do you think??

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: medicinewheel on January 05, 2010, 05:43:37 pm
Somehow missed this one: looks really good so far!
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Bullitt on January 05, 2010, 10:34:23 pm
I think it's great! What are you waiting on?
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 06, 2010, 10:38:25 am
Got to let the Sinew and Hide Glue dry a bit ....dontcha Think......... :P
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on January 06, 2010, 10:56:00 am
Not sure mike but I'd think a week in a hotbox would be plenty if their pretty much static ???
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 06, 2010, 02:50:35 pm
well thats the deal...they are more or less working tips....if you look in the one photo on the tree at 24 inches........ :-[
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: FlintWalker on January 06, 2010, 03:14:39 pm
Nothing wrong with working tips.  How's it hold in up as far as set?
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 06, 2010, 03:24:45 pm
Shannon....Other than the little deflex in the Top Limb that was there from the Start...I see no visible Set at all so far...and I have it Tillered to 25 inches...shooting for 29...

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on January 06, 2010, 03:30:06 pm
Still think a week at low humidity and only one course of sinew would be plenty of time for it to dry.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 06, 2010, 03:33:27 pm
I am thinking about another layer of Backstrap...but I don't know if it really needs it...and I don't want to add extra weight that isn't necessary
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 06, 2010, 03:35:29 pm
I haven't changed my mind! Great bow! Jawge
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 06, 2010, 03:38:54 pm
Thanks Jawge....any pointers for Me so far?? I am open for any suggestions on Tips or anything...may not have the Guts to try it...but I am always open........ ;D..... ;)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Bullitt on January 06, 2010, 11:02:45 pm
El, you asked. I have wrapped alot of cracks and such, with loin and leg sinew. I don't think you need a week!
I ,personally, would have used F.F. serving wrap. Heck, Electriical tape wrap would suffice! ;D

Looking foward to the finished product! What do you operate a crane for? Good shootin, Steve
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 07, 2010, 10:33:59 am
What do you operate a crane for? Good shootin, Steve

For the Hell of it................ ;D................ >:D

No Steve.....all kidding aside...I operate Crane in a Refinery here in the Texas Panhandle for Zachry Construction Co. Been working at the same Refinery mostly for 25 years now...been through Three Companies there so far
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Pappy on January 07, 2010, 10:37:36 am
Looking good so far,can't wait to see it finished. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Keenan on January 07, 2010, 10:44:57 am
 Mike that is looking real good, not sure how I missed this one but it looks to be shooter. Great job on the recurves.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 07, 2010, 10:50:19 am
No pointers, El. Just a job well done. Sometimes being a selfbowyer is about solving problems. :) Jawge
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 07, 2010, 11:02:18 am
Thanks Guys...I think I may just give a little try today and see what gives...... :o....I am getting antsy to bend her again and finish the Tiller on it... I have to decide wether to put Tip Overlays on...or just go with Pin Nocks like I planned...this slight delay has given Me time to get a Reflexed Paddle Bow that I started last year to the Short String status right now too...so I got plenty to do now.... ;D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: zenmonkeyman on January 07, 2010, 03:06:29 pm
This bow makes me think it would be nice to have a new topic category:  "Specialty Woods".  Topic titles would be just the name of the wood, "Western Soapberry" for example.  ;)  The subject body would have pictures of bows, both completed and destroyed, with as much technical information as could be gathered from the experience, for example:  "Checked slightly while recurving".  Or "failed in compression, perhaps an ELB style would have worked better."  Anybody else who made a bow of the same wood would simply add their bow to the same topic.  Eventually an incredible technical reference would grow for the betterment of all.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 09, 2010, 05:50:06 pm
So far...whatever this Wood is...I am really happy with the Performance of it...even in the Cold Weather that We have been having...It performs great! I have shot it in about 200 times so far...but the Cambium is being really stubborn on it....it don't want to peel off even after multiple Shootins...normally Cambium will start to let go as you Tiller and Shoot one in....this is not happening! So I may end up finishing like it is....because I am afraid that as thin as these Rings are...that I will violate the Back...and I don't want that! I am holding off on the Finish and Grip until I either figure out how to remove the Cambium....or learn to live with it... ;D...This Bow so far is 63# @ 27"of Draw...I was shooting for 60# @ 28"...So I am close...by the Time is settles in ...it should be right where I wanted it to be....It has about 1 1/4" of String Follow right after being unbraced...but after 30 minutes to an hour....it has only about 1/2" of Set....No Hand Shock...Shoots straighter than any Bow I have built to date....with the way I laid it out....there is no Paralax...due to the wave in the Limb right where the Grip is....I am happy so far with it...and I will post Pictures as soon as I get the Grip and the Finish figured out....thanks for looking

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: John K on January 09, 2010, 08:03:34 pm
Looks great Mike !
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 16, 2010, 04:40:54 am
I got all of the Cambium off of it today....and also rubbed in two coats of Danish Oil....and one heated in coat of Bear Grease from Dana....man that stuff smells good!! I also got the Tips looking better now...at least they have some shape to them now! I just got done wrapping the Tips once more with Sinew...so the Sinew Job is still a bit rough looking until it shrinks down some more .... tomorrow I am going to try to finish a Hand Grip for thid Bow...and try to get it finished totally this Weekend

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on January 16, 2010, 07:25:11 am
Coming along nicely Mike :)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: brownhillboy on January 16, 2010, 10:00:07 am
Looking good, can't wait to see it finished!
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sailordad on January 16, 2010, 11:41:45 am
mike, i had totaly forgotten about this thread of yours.glad i came back to it
that thig is looking great,cant wait to see it finished and a full draw pic.
i still say ya gotta name that thing what i suggested,just cause it leans left a little  ;) lol
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 16, 2010, 11:48:56 am
El, looks like a few sharp corners on those nocks. Feel them with your hand. Sand as needed. I had an osage bow down to one strand once in the blink of an eye for that very reason. I check those nocks now. Jawge
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 16, 2010, 12:13:18 pm


Thanks Guys...it's coming along...but Boy is it moving Slow!!

Tim...You are right it does Lean a little like the Politicians do......but I am afraid to Name a Bow after such a bunch of lazy...no backboned ...backstabbing pieces of dead weight like that....can You imagine what it would do to the Performance of this Bow...if I Insulted it like that.......... ;)

You are right Jawge....they need a little more attention....I will hit them when I fine sand it...once the Danish Oil is dried well....I messed up though...I should have stained the Wood....I figured the Danish Oil would have darkened the Wood some...but it didn't...so I don't know if I can go back now and stain the Wood or not...does anyone know if a Stain will penetrate the Danish Oil...or will it mess up the Finish now if I try??
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sailordad on January 16, 2010, 01:00:09 pm
Mike thats a good point
i wouldnt want to hurt its performance any either  ;D :D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 17, 2010, 06:42:51 pm
Mike thats a good point
i wouldn't want to hurt its performance any either ;D :D

Nope....My Bows are Slow Enough now...I don't want them to Cop an Attitude...like a Politician....... >:D

OK...I got the Leather Grip made and Laced up...I think it's going to be fine...feels really nice in the Hand

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Josh on January 17, 2010, 06:54:28 pm
that grip looks nice, I can never get them to come out good...  Nice job can't wait to see it finished!   :) -josh
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 17, 2010, 07:04:18 pm
Josh....the easiest way that I have ever found to get the Grips to lace up tightly ...is to wet them in warm water...and sew them up damp...this way you can stretch the Leather to fit....and when the Leather dries...it shrinks up a bit...and the Grips snug up nicely to the Bows riser
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Josh on January 17, 2010, 07:05:41 pm
cool thanks for the tip mike!  I will do that for my next bow fer sure!   :) -josh
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: OldBow on January 18, 2010, 12:07:36 am
Josh....the easiest way that I have ever found to get the Grips to lace up tightly ...is to wet them in warm water...and sew them up damp...this way you can stretch the Leather to fit....and when the Leather dries...it shrinks up a bit...and the Grips snug up nicely to the Bows riser
This is a great idea. ##@$%$$!!##@ So simple >:D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 18, 2010, 12:54:13 am
This is a great idea. ##@$%$$!!##@ So simple >:D

              You made Me laugh out loud Don....and that ain't always easy for Me to do.......... ;D...thank you my Friend..... ;)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: FlintWalker on January 18, 2010, 01:12:29 am
Grip looks great Mike. I bet the rest does too. ;)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 18, 2010, 01:19:10 am
   The Rest looks like a lumpy bumpy twisted piece of Mystery Wood ....but it bends nice...and shoots like the wind.... ;)

It ain't going to be Pretty...or BOM Material....just a good shooting Bow for next years Deer Season...don't plan on putting any other Sealing Finish on it ...just a final heated in coat of Dana's magnificent Bear Grease...once I finish painting her up a Bit... :P
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on January 18, 2010, 07:18:51 am
Looks good Mike but we need the glamour shots eh :)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Bullitt on January 18, 2010, 03:07:13 pm
Yeah Mike, bring that beauty out, for all to admire! Please.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 23, 2010, 02:23:17 pm
Looks good Mike but we need the glamour shots eh :)

OK Dana....here it is...it's all finished now...the only thing I haven't decided to do yet....is too Paint it like I do some of my Bows ....with Ancient Glyphs or not....but here is where I am as of this Morning... I dyed it with Leather Dye...sealed it with Danish Oil and topped it off with Bear grease and Beeswax...tryed something new on the Sinew...I dyed it too ..but only in spots to give it  a distinct look....made a new 16 strand Flemish Twist String for it this Morning out of B50...the Bow has taken less than 3/4" of Set...and has about 1 1/2" of post-strung String Follow...it is a sweet Bow to shoot...seeing as how it is a straight shot ...due to the wave in the Limb right above the Grip....no stack....and shoot like a Texas Breeze....I am really happy o how it has turned out so far....it is as fast as my Osage Recurve...but quieter to shoot...and I didn't think that was possible!



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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on January 23, 2010, 02:25:14 pm
Looks great Mike I like the effect of the dyed sinew :)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 23, 2010, 02:26:59 pm
Thanks Dana....I was going to Dye the Sinew Red...but I can't find the Bottle........ :-[..here is the Money Shot that someone wanted

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on January 23, 2010, 02:30:29 pm
Tiller looks real nice Mike but I'm wondering where ya found the big ape to draw it ;) >:D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 23, 2010, 02:36:44 pm
Give it a break Dana.....Dats Me ....Eh!!! So's I put on a few pounds like da Bears do fer da Long Cold Winter dontchano....come da Springtime....I'm gunna look like dat Mullet character...ya no...dat 6'2" tall Black Haired Ripped Karate Chopper frum sum wheres in dat Florida State...where all dem Snow Birdz go.... ;D

Oh ....I forgot to add...the Bow came in at 65# @ 29" of Draw...3/4" of Set....I was going to put Pin Nocks on it...but decided that these would look better with the Recurved Tips...I warned you at the Beginning...this was not for BOM...it is just a Plain Jane Bow....that will Make Meat...thats all I was Shooting for the Day I started taking my Frustrations on the Texas Road Commission out on this Mystery Stave..... >:D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: NTD on January 23, 2010, 02:57:10 pm
Wow, what a fine looking bow Mike!  I NEED to do a recurve like that!!

Nate
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sailordad on January 23, 2010, 03:06:25 pm
nice job Mike :o
i was looking at those finished pics and said "nice looking bow"
then i seen the money shot and said"he nailed the tiller too"
the wife agreed

not for BOM ???
thats the kind i like voting for,its and effective weapon.
shows what it is thru desing and tiller,not necassarily the prettiest girl at the dance
but affective dancer all the same
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 23, 2010, 03:21:25 pm
Thanks Tim....I appreciate you honesty.... :P......This Bow is more like Pat Benatar.....Loud....rough and gruff....and parties all night with the Big Dogs....not like Shakira....all soft...sexy and all smooth around the edges.this is definitely one that I can take out and not have to worry about How You Treat Her........ >:D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: gmc on January 23, 2010, 03:48:08 pm
Been waiting on this one. A very nice primitive touch with a "killer tiller". Is the handle doing any work, Mike?

Excellent Job!
Greg
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 23, 2010, 03:54:26 pm
Greg...it does bend through the Handle...but not like a D-Bow does....but you can definitely feel it work
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: gmc on January 23, 2010, 04:00:25 pm
I know exactly what you mean, and thought that it may be working a little through the handle.

Hope you got more of the mystery wood, looks like really good stuff. Again, nice bow dude.

Greg
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: zenmonkeyman on January 23, 2010, 04:28:35 pm
Coulda been a contender...
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Parnell on January 23, 2010, 06:46:50 pm
Just checked back in on this and saw the results.  Wow - I really like that one.  Awesome job!
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 23, 2010, 07:21:15 pm
Coulda been a contender...

                                          I dunno...I ain't much for the Competitions..... O:)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Jesse on January 23, 2010, 08:07:53 pm
Tiller looks great on that Mike. Cool looking bow. One question. Are the sweat pants because you wanna be like our hero Jawge? ;D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on January 23, 2010, 09:00:02 pm
One question. Are the sweat pants because you wanna be like our hero Jawge? ;D

I think the sweats are what he fits in Jesse, needs to get on the stairmaster and the total gym if he ever wants to be 6'2" and totally ripped ;) :D >:D

Ya I know Mike I will pay the price somewhere down the road :P
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 23, 2010, 09:08:31 pm
 Jawge is my Hero....  8)....No seriously....I just feel comfortable in Sweats...period....if it's Winter....It's Sweats...Summer...it's Shorts...I hate Pants...and don't own any Drawers.... >:D...TMI........ :P

And Dana....I am still only 6'2" and 205....so I aint in need of no Treadmill or Stairmaster yet......... >:(
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: DanaM on January 23, 2010, 09:24:01 pm
Key wors is "Yet" LOL I should talk since I quit smoking all I do is eat might need to get me some "sweats" :D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: FlintWalker on January 23, 2010, 09:58:47 pm
Thanks Tim....I appreciate you honesty.... :P......This Bow is more like Pat Benatar.....Loud....rough and gruff....and parties all night with the Big Dogs....not like Shakira....all soft...sexy and all smooth around the edges.this is definitely one that I can take out and not have to worry about How You Treat Her........ >:D
I think Pat Benatar is...was HOT! ;D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: cowboy on January 23, 2010, 10:46:47 pm
I just stumbled onto this one Mike, and went straight to the last page. Did anyone ID that wood? Cause it sounds just like the one I've been trying to ID for the last four years. If it's the same thing then there's lots of it down here. Just curious, I'll look at your bow here in a minute :).
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Barrage on January 24, 2010, 12:39:20 am
Well Mike, if Tim thinks it ain't the prettiest girl at the dance, then she's definitely the all natural hottie who ain't afraid to get her shoes dirty...  Nice bow, like this one a lot.  :)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: elk country rp on January 24, 2010, 01:22:02 am
has anyone been included in BOM against their will?   >:D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: NTD on January 24, 2010, 01:24:11 am
"dat 6'2" tall Black Haired Ripped Karate Chopper "  Is Mullet (Eddie Parker) related to THE Eddie Parker??
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 24, 2010, 03:36:09 am
"dat 6'2" tall Black Haired Ripped Karate Chopper "  Is Mullet (Eddie Parker) related to THE Eddie Parker??

                   Nate....it's sorta an "Inside Joke"....but lets just put it this way.........Theres Only ONE Eddie Parker...... ::)
                                               We aint talkin the Hollywood Actor/Stuntman either........ ;)

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: NTD on January 24, 2010, 03:44:29 am
 :o ;D  ROFL, thanks Mike
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: ricktrojanowski on January 24, 2010, 08:17:28 am
El D
That bow turned out really nice. 
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: PeteC on January 24, 2010, 09:03:17 am
Looks good Mike.Did you ever ID the wood? God bless
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 24, 2010, 09:49:59 am
Looks good Mike.Did you ever ID the wood? God bless

The Best Guess so far would have to be Soapberry
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Ryano on January 24, 2010, 11:31:02 am
That came out pretty nice Mike. Especially for a unknown wood !
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: brownhillboy on January 24, 2010, 08:13:30 pm
Bow turned out real nice Mike, and I really like the job you did on the leather grip.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 24, 2010, 09:00:07 pm
Thanks Ryan....if You are at the Classic this year...you can try it out...I am really impressed with the Energy that this Wood stores...and how quiet it is upon release....

B.H.B...thanks...the Grips are really easy to do...as long as you wet the Leather first to get it stretched good to make a tight fit
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: cowboy on January 24, 2010, 09:56:54 pm
Well, that turned out nice all around Mike! Good lookin bow. That wood kinda resembles what i was talking about too. May have to give the staves out there a try after all.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on January 24, 2010, 09:58:49 pm
Paul...I can tell you this much...for the weight of the Wood...It throws an Arrow like no other Whitewood I have ever used..... ;D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Bullitt on January 25, 2010, 03:25:28 pm
Cool El, really nice, just like your others! I would'nt be afraid at all to be seen in public with her! ;)

The wardrobe info was more info than I needed!

And  maybe not knowing for sure, what or who she is, is the big difference. No guarantees and no commitments!

Good shootin, Steve
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on February 08, 2010, 11:16:12 pm
OK...I have rubbed in 5 coats of Beeswax / Bear Grease Sealer that I made into the Bow...She has a slight shine from all the rubbing...I hope you like it.... I changed the Bow a Bit from what I had started with here are the Final Specs....The Bow is 63 inches NTN....1 inch at the Grip...tapering to 1 3/4" at the Fades....then it stay as close to the Natural width as possible around the Knotts all the way to the last 7 inches ...where I started to taper the Limbs down to the 3/8" Tips...It came in at 55# @ 29" of Draw

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on February 08, 2010, 11:23:38 pm
And a Couple More....

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Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Ryano on February 09, 2010, 12:18:53 am
Nice job Mike. Looks like you got a longer sweat shirt also......lol.  >:D  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: gmc on February 09, 2010, 12:37:23 am
That tiller is about as good as it gets. That is a very nice bow.

Guess we could even lower the rating on the full draw shot to PG13 now.  ;D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Jesse on February 09, 2010, 01:08:00 am
Looks real good Mike.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Keenan on February 09, 2010, 01:56:32 am
Sweet bow Mike that came out looking awesome. ;)
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on February 09, 2010, 08:40:07 am
Thanks Guys....It was a Stress Reliever to build this when I did...and considering how Stressed I was waiting for my Son...I am surprised that it turned out at all.... :P....You know what they all preach about being in a Rush ...if you are in a Hurry or Your Mind ain't in it....put it down and walk away....well I am glad I didn't this time!!

Ryan...same Sweats....just made sure that they were hiked Up where they belonged in this Picture...not hanging like a Teenager with a pair of JNCO Jeans on.......... >:D
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: Barrage on February 09, 2010, 11:46:26 am
Turned out great Mike.
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: OldBow on March 05, 2010, 01:34:45 pm
Here's a very fine bow by El Destructo posted earlier this year. Anybody ever figure out what kind of wood it is?
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: sailordad on March 05, 2010, 07:38:01 pm
Mike taht really turned out saweet  8)
i like them nice and plain just like that
tiller looks excellent
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: medicinewheel on March 06, 2010, 03:34:13 am
Sharp bow!
Finish looks great!
Title: Re: Christmas Storm Bow
Post by: El Destructo on March 06, 2010, 10:44:28 am
Thanks Guys...I appreciate the kind Words for the Bow....and Yes...thats a New Pair of Sweats.... that were hiding in the Drawer...but now that I seen my 30 Pack hanging out in the last pictures...I put them to use here.... ;D

Don...if I didn't cut it myself...I would swear that it was Persimmon...but We have no Persimmon here...so I am sticking with the overall decision...that it's Soapberry