Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: akila on December 12, 2009, 05:53:11 pm
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Hello guys....this is my new long bow that i have made this days...i did not care aboute the artistic part so much...i wass trying to see what distance can i obtain with such a bow....so...i start making an long bow... the wood is ash....the bow is 68.50" nok to nok.... pulling 61.73@30"....the ratio is aboute 5/7 on this bow...the belly of the bow is oval....the tips are verry narrow...final mass on this bow is 18.34oz....the distance that i wass shoting today wass 214 yards with a bamboo arrow that wass 617 grains...this mean a ratio that is 10 grain per pound... the distance wass measure verry exactly....wi have some markers, on diferent distance, and wi measure evreithing verry precise...i dont know iff its a good dostance or not...but i wanted to share this with u...it wass a great feeling shooting this bow., becose i usuly shoot bows between 40-45 lbs...and i dont draw the bow at 30"....i usuly shot on target and i only draw it to 28"...the feeling wass realy fantastic, and i think i will start making another bow like this, a little heavier then this one...well...enugh talking...i put some pictures...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x212/Akila_07/PC100312.jpg)
Here is the nok of the bow....the nok is made in the wood of the bow...the bow wass fine, and the nok seam to be ok...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x212/Akila_07/PC100314.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x212/Akila_07/PC100311.jpg)
Here is the bow right after tillering...the set is zero at this stage...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x212/Akila_07/PC110311.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x212/Akila_07/PC110309.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x212/Akila_07/PC110308.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x212/Akila_07/PC110312.jpg)
Here u can see the bow with a simple finish on him...some natural dye, some leather on the handle, the final finish wass some shelack to protect him .....in the last photo u can see the bamboo arrow....617 grains....the point of the arrow is hand forged by me....this is the arrow that flight 214 yards...its the single arrow that i have, wich respect the 10grain per pound ratio....i wass shooting also a carbon fibre arrow....it wass 308 grains....this mean a 4.9 ratio gr/pound....the arrow flight wass 277 yards...
Here is a photo with the bow at full draw...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x212/Akila_07/P1050230.jpg)
And the bow tight after it wass unstrung...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x212/Akila_07/P1050238.jpg)
It wass a great day....a little chillie outside....the winter is here and is freezing outside....ohh..i allmost forgot....it wass no wind outside....i hope i will like the bow.....the critics are also aprecieted by me... ;D...bye all..
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I love that tiller. That is a classic tiller for the longbow. Well done. :) Jawge
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hey akila! That's a really nice tiller, classic as jawge says!
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Nice bow and great tiller, Akila. 61.73#@30" ! Is that an exact measurement? ;D ::)
As always, very nice work!!! 8)
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Great bow!
PD
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Hi all and thks for your compliments ...i use a convertor to make the transformation from metric unit in inchi, pounds, etc... ::)...im not yet use to this punds, inchi, feet, etc, stuff...thks alot for your compliments..
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That's a great bow Akila. Good job.I really like the tiller. One question though. Did you cut into the back on your nocks? I did once.While stretching the new string,the limb split 6'' deep, separating a growth ring .End of that elm stave. :o.It may just be the picture.If I'm seeing it incorrectly,forgive me. God Bless
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Akila,
That sure looks good. Great work!
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Very nice bow, The tiller looks excellent and I like the full draw picture. Congratulations.
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Great looking bow! I really like the simple, straight forward design.
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Foarte frumos! I hope that's right, my Romanian is not so good.
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Yeah that is super cool, I have some ash and you make me want to try this sort of design. How wide is your bow near the handle and at the tips?
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It does look like the nock is cut into the back of the bow. Not thought to be the best practice.
That is an amazing distance the bow is shooting an arrow. Also amazing performance for ash. Ash can do well, but this is remarkable!
Nice work.
Jim
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Akila, as like the other bows you have posted in the past.i like this one too.
the tiller is perfect for this style of bow,i really like the simplicity of the bow.
the distance it shoots a 10gpp arrow,awesome brother just awesome
but like others i have to ask,did you cut hte nock into the back of the bow,or is that pic from the belly side?
keep up the nice work
peace,
tim
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Simple and elegant. I love elb style bows. The full draw picture looks really great, there is something special about watching an arrow disappear into the sky, specially if you made the bow yourself!
Nat
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Foarte frumos! I hope that's right, my Romanian is not so good.
this is corect....thks alot.... ;)....
Yess guys u are right...the nok is cut into the back of the bow...i know its not a verry good ideea to do that, but the bow hol on perfectly....also the string of the bow, is a flemish string....and the loop of the string is pretty thick, so i hope it will not be a problem....thks alot for all your replays....i dont have to much experience with this flight shooting long bow's.....iff u say its a good distance thenn im verry happy.. ;D....thks again...take care..
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Very nice bow. The tiller looks right on. As for finish work, a clean simple finish like that really brings out the beauty of a bow. No distractions. What kind of Ash is that?
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Great bow akila, a bow doesn't have to be all prettied up, it just needs to be built well and perform well
which I think you have accomplished very nicely :)
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HI....the wood is Fraxinus Excelsior...also known as European Ash.....the density of the wood that this bow wass made wass aboute 0.77...
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Cutting the back for a nock may be a problem in the future. A bowyer friend's osage bow broke at that spot. There is one exception where I may consider it and that is in a 1/4 sawn board. Akila, you may want to consider an overlay of wood.
http://georgeandjoni.home.comcast.net/~georgeandjoni/burlap.html
Jawge
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I will probably put some horn overlays there...thks for your advice...
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Howdy Akila,
It's a very impressive bow!! I like the tiller and the simplicity in design.
All the best,
Canoe
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Very nice Akila.
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As the others said Akila very nice work. That full draw pic is as good as it gets :)
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At full draw the bow is simply beautiful:)
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Like all you bows, a joy to behold.
Dave
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Hi Akila, I like your bow and i am very immpressed , I have made some flat ash bows 2 inchs wide and 68" long and they have always taken a big set( 2 1/2") and hardly made 150 yards> Maybe ash prefers the long bow shape than flat shape or maybe you have got better ash trees, was it a young tree or old tree? have you made ash flat bows ? what did I do wrong?
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Well done to get no string follow.
Go on gotta ask, I know I'll regret it (it's just gotta be a mug trap) what is the plastic bottle top on a stick all about?
Del
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The tree wass aboute 4" in diameter.....the ash is European ash....sometimes i get pretty dense wodd... the best ash that i had wass 0.9 density....the wood that this long bow is made is aboute 0.77 density.....i think the secret is in the tiller metod...i have to say that i didnt use no tiller tree, or stick to this bow...i did some floor tillering to the bow, untill i could put a string on it to brace it....and i just tiller the entire bow, at brace hight, with the string on it....only on brace hight....i use for that a verry simple tool....a small stick...4" long...and i put the little stick on the belly of the bow, and wach for the sitff areas of the limb, and working that areasa untill the limb is bending evenly....after i finished this, i just pull the bow to 28", and thenn to 30", and that wass all.....after i remove the string the set wass minimal...1" or so...and the next day i just shoot the bow as u can see in the pictures....and after 3 hours shooting the bow, the set wass 1.18".....also the final mass is verry important.....the tips of the bow are verry narrow...as u can see in the picture, the tips are narrower thenn my little finger....at the noks the bow is 8mm. wide....so its verry narrow....so this is all i did to this bow.....ash dosent realy prefer the narrow design of the long bow....and iff u want to make a long bow out of ash , u should make it a little longer...the bow is 1.26 wide at the center, and 0.91 thick....the ratio is aboute 5/7.....i think the most important thing is to try to reduce the set as much as posibile, and to make the last 6" of the tips realy light.....and i think u will feel a diference....
The plastick botle on the top of the stick... ;D....wi use those sticks, as a marker.....and wi have this markers at the point where wi shoot...and thenn at 130metter, 140, 150, 160, 170, etc...200metter....and wi put the plastic botles on the top of the stick so that wi can see the stick a little better from that distance...so..wi shot from the start line...and thenn wi go to see the distance...and thenn wi shoot from where the arrow tuch the ground, back to the start line ,,,or the start stickk ;D...aniway the botle is there so wi can see that stick a little better from the distance..... sorry for my english guys....i hope i could be of some help to u..
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Very nice long bow. You are the Ash Man on this site due to the fact you have produced some really great bows, including BOM. Thanks for sharing. This bow, too, is bookmarked under Dec Self BOM fun.
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Simple, elegant and classic. A bow can't get much nicer than that one. Very nice!
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Thanks for all thet helpfull info, your english is very good. Sounds like your ash is much denser than the ash over here, I dont know how you are measuring the density? but according to books ash over here is 0.6- 0.65, I think, your getting some good ash and you have some good tillering skills, I have seen hard ash but is usally the heart wood of big trees , a 4" ash over here is no harder than a sycamore!! but it is very wet climate here and the small trees grow very fast!
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Very nice looking bow,tiller is dead on,love that shot. :)
Pappy
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Nice bow, Akila,Congratulations.
Ce mai face? ;)
I really have to give a try to ash. we also have ash here, but fraxinus angustifolia. (Spain, eastern coast)
This winter I'll cut a branch that I've seen pretty nice.
Adio,
David
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Mui bien david..gracias.... ;D.....good luck with your project.....
Dragonman ,,i measure the density like this....s small piece of wood....lets say 1" wide 1" thick, and 3.54" long....i put in in the watter.....0.79 of the wood left outside of the watter...so this is something arrounde 0.77 density.....i think this is the metod used to measure the density of a certain wood....i hope im not mistaking...
Also something els that u should have in mind whenn u make a flat bow is that a verry wide limb will also have much resistent to air friction... so 2,5" wide i think is a little to much...try to make your libs arrounde 1.57" wide and see what happents...and also iff u make a flat bow stiff handle, try make the bow a little longer.....something like 70", for a 28" draw lenght...and make the last 6" of the tips as light as u can....good luck..
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Like all you bows, a joy to behold.
Dave
Hi Dave...i wanna thks you for your PM...i have send u 4 messages back to u...i dont know iff they arrived to u...so this is why i decided to say thks. for your message here.. ;)....and i wish u the best of luck with your book......i wanted to send u some links with some nice band that wi have here in romania...but i dont think here is the right place to do that...becose it will be offtopic...maybe i will try to send u PM> again...i hope it will work....thks again...and sorry for this offtopic message...
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wow nice bow there akila!!! the tiller on that one is perfect. :) -josh
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I too enjoy the elbs. I sure have made alot, learned early on, ash is the best choice second to yew, Which I have none. Hickory and balck cherry and some other white woods seem to develop compression cracks, However ash didn't. The ash is not quite as snappy as the hickory, But will out do it in the long haul. I also think it stains really nice. As for the tip , I never cut in to the backing anymore than I have too. What has been said will do nicely. However if you was to dip about the tips an inch or too in glue , I would think that should work, if you don.t have the money for horns. and a tip overlay is a grand idea and will dress up the bow. great job ...Denny in america