Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: NOMADIC PIRATE on June 22, 2009, 06:21:00 am
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Today as I was shooting in an Osage bow I'm finishing something kept poppying in my mind,...often I read post such as this "I'm not quite ready to work osage, but.." or "one day I'll be ready to work Osage...."
Well I actually think Osage is the perfect beginner's wood, it's so forgiving, strong and easy to read, can take lots of punishment and a non perfect job.
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I agree,once you get passed getting the bark/sap wood off and chasing a ring,then the lay out is a little different because of the longitudinal grain isn't usually straight it is great wood,very forgiving while tillering and can recover a slight hinge much better than most white wood. :) It is also very good at not taking on moisture after it is once seasoned and dry. :)
Pappy
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Any wood is good for a begineer in my book :) Only problem I see with osage as a first wood is availability,
if you have to shell out hard earned bucks to buy a stave you might as well start with something that can
be cut locally.
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If someone can show a beginner how to chase a ring, then I agree. As a beginner myself, time alone, whitewoods wins hands down. You don't have to be so mindful about how the grain runs, usually find straight staves.
Also another step a beginner has to think about is layout. Following that grain and then how to pyamid the limbs on a semi snakey bow.
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Manny: I agree completely. Of course I have a barn full of Osage. ;D
I always found "Chasing a ring" to be the easy part.
Most ring chasing only takes 30 minutes to 1 hour.
The right tools and a bit of practice go a long ways.
However, it does intimadate many people. Especially those that have spent good money on a stave.
Hay RyanO! Have you seen this? ;)
David
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Manny, you got it.! I have said this in many other posts. It's possible with white woods to chase a ring, but not always easy. Osage is very forgiving in tillering. It talks to you when chasing a ring, that gritty sound! Black locust and sassafrass are pretty close. Good shootin and don't be afraid of using osage for your first! Steve
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As a beginner, I'm gonna say that most of the "some day's" stem from the cost and availability of osage. If I lived out by Osage Country, I would be out hunting for trees. But having to spend $30-$60 if not more for a decent stave is a deterent ??? . I'd rather spend time and patience on a few staves to learn. JMO.
So I'm one of the "some day" guys. Some day when I have the extra cash to spend on a decent stave, I'll get one and discover the joys Osage. Til then, there are plenty of Northeatern Whitewoods for me to harvest here. ;D
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I agree with Manny and Pappy. :) Jawge
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Aosada, where you getting those $30 staves?
Manny you have a hedgerow planted on the island yet? I can only imagine the rings on Hawaiian hedge. Personally I started on red oak, harvesting from the lumber store is somewhat simpler.
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hey aosda i live in oklahome where osage is thicker than dog ticks, aint no bs about it. if you want a piece of osage we can work something out my supply of 2 year old wood is a little knotty but there is a bow in all wood you just gotta find it. so if you gota hankering for yellow wood give me a pm.
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Tom, I've seen bidding start really low on a stave and stay low(rare occasion). Most of the time it costs more than $30, then you have shipping. Maybe I had a brain fart and just typed the shipping price :o
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LOL :D ...not advocating to try a first bow on Osage, I still think the first few should be made of whatever cheap and avaiable,...... gotta learn how to use tools and get an eye for tiller, but after those few baby steps Osage will help a lot with his toughness and forgiveness
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I agree, It's also easier to hit your desired weight.
But I'm jealous of beginners who get to play with lots of Osage ;D
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I have eay access to osage where I am at it grows everywhere. :) One of the biggest osage trees I have seen.is 50 yards away from my house. I got a big pile of it in my garage i just need to start working it
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you guys with osage forests handy are very lucky people!
I ordered a chunk of osage last year from Mike Yancy at Pine Hollow Longbows....it was 2.25 x 4.5 x 62....i cut it into various thicknesses of strips and made quite a few laminate bows from it...
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Manny you have a hedgerow planted on the island yet? I can only imagine the rings on Hawaiian hedge.
Lennie you got me thinking there,.....I might not ripe the benefits, but it would be cool to have a legacy for starting the "Hawaiian Osage" ....I'm gonna see if I can import some Hedge seeds
......BTW good to see you posting,...show us some bows now ;D
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Osage has certainly put up with a lot of rookie mistakes from me......I think chasing a ring and strength is cancels out the backing process of my whitewood a board bows. Plus, there's nothing like whaling away with a drawknife and then watching that last pass expose "marked treasury bills" as Torges put it.....
But I still think starting out with A board bow or two is right thing to do to learn the basics.
Good luck with the Osage plantation, Manny! The little archer on your back in the "Little guava" pics could use it someday....
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Truthfully, whether or not it's a beginners wood depends on where that beginner lives. Osage is too expensive around here in NH, where it doesn't grow, for learning wood. Black locust though is good ring chasing and bow lay out practice wood and is plentiful here. Jawge
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Thats why I started with Hickory,got plenty and no Osage on my farm at all,I have to trade for it,
never bought any ,always have to travel to cut it when I can. :) I will say if you learn to tiller white wood ,Osage will be much easier most of the time,at least the tillering part. :)
Pappy
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I learned to make bows on character osage staves, And i had to learn fast lol ;D. My first osage bow shot well but my lack of knowledge led to a string flying off and the bow breaking. An educated beginner bowyer would find osage to be a very educational but challenging experience. I learned to chase a osage ring with a dull draw knife, and to draw patterns by hand following the wavy grain. These methods help you learn faster about what truly makes a bow work instead of just sticking your toe in the water with a board. Ty