Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Shooter_G22 on March 20, 2009, 01:32:06 am
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i have some wood here tht i picked up at a local saw mill hard wood shop that sells a little ruff stock and will cut to size for you...
Anyhow,
i went there maby a month and half ago to see about some walnut and then the guy that i dealt with befor was out on vactaion and there was a lady there that wanted to only sell me a whole board and told me that if i wanted a piece of board id have to wait for the other guy to come back form vacation...lol... dont ya hate when that happens..lol
anyway
i went to the out side of the shop where they had some oders on pallets to be picked up when i was talking to the lady and i saw some long strips of some type of dark wood that kinda looked like walnut but was cut and looked alomost like floorbaorb trim... and i asked the lady what that was and shee said it was left over scrap for a mill order and i could have it if i wanted it and i said hell yea i'll take it... i asked what type of wod it was and she looked confused for a second and said i think it some typw of dark mohogany or myabe a walnut oh know i think that that walnut substitue taht some people are useing and hruged a little and then said well i knwo what it is is.. its free if you wnat it soo.. i didnt ask any more and scooped it up anyway it looks like i could make some thing from it ima give it a try ... herar are some pics...
anyhelp idintifieying it would be appreciated..
and any suggestions on how i should make up a bow from this would be aprreciatied too.. i also have a piece of thin backing strip of pecan that i have left over from the l;ast pacan board i got and i though of maybe putingsomething togatrher to make it work... i also have a abmboo backing strip that a friend of mine sent me to be able t make a bow for the boys on the youth team i think i might give thei mysteriw wood a chance with a boo backing and maybe eve the pacan thins strip inbetween the boo and mystery wood what ya'll think???
i have two peices of the mystery wood already glued up back to back to make a bow from it and glued addition peices fro a handle riser.. will post up pics on that tomorrow any comment and advice will be appreciated...
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Is it heavy and dense? Ipe possibly?
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yes Pat B,
it is heavy and dense and the lady told me that she thinks it was some importeid foriegn wood that poeple used as a replacement or substitute for walnut... i dont think she actually knew waht it was but does that sound right????
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Ipe is used as decking on high dollar houses. That is what it sounds like to me. Makes an excellent bow.
Scrape the wood and see if it has a kind of spicy smell.
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If its ipe the dust is toxic so if ya turn greaan and puke its ipe :o
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Well I guess thats one sure fire way to find out Dana.
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Personally, I don't have a problem with ipe dust....so the "puke" test wouldn't work in my case.
If it sinks in water it's definitely ipe. If it floats, it might still be ipe.....try scraping it and looking for yellow dust. If you see yellow powder, it's ipe. If not, then I dunno. :P
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The dust doesn't bother me either. Some folks can't touch the stuff.
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The dust doesn't bother me either, other than making the ol' nostrils burn a bit. It has a very funky sweet/spicy smell when you're working it.
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i get a little stuffy from the dust,but what the hell it makes for breat bows.
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well folks,
i'm about 99% sure its gotta be Ipe... it has all the characteristics that ya'l speak of... i started trying to build the one i had glued two strips togather... all i did ws shape out the handle area... and start to flex it a little bit... but the aroma from the dust of the sander was a real funky spicy almost weird purfume' smell to it... and the dust didnt look yellow but when it got on a little bit on my black dickies it did have a slight yellow tint to it... but not like osage dust but it was kinda a tannish yellow...
i tell you what though it was real easy to work and shape with a file... best result with a file to wood that i have ever had... i like it.. the dust did get to me after a while but thats probably becuase i did a little bit on my 1" belt sander in my apt and then got alot of dust inside my apt.. and i could smell it everywhere... got me a litle nuatious but now more than like when i do the some thing with osage... but i could really smell the wood and that smell stuck with me for a while...
i think its has to be Ipe... thats pretty cool i had wanted to work with some ipe but didnt think i would be able to get any anytime soon figured it would be real exspensive... pretty cool i got these strips for free... lets hop i can make some thing form them....
i think i'm going to glue up another board stave today or tommorrow.... here is what i was thinking... i need some advise...
the ipe strip is about 1/4" thick... and about 1 1/2" wide.... i was thinking of glueing a pecan strip to it as a backing the pecan srtip is about 1/10" thick and about 2"wide so i would have to trim the excess off that i know but then after glueing up that i was going to glue a bamboo backing strip that is slightly over 1/10 " thick at its thickest point...
soo after all the glue up the baord stave should be almost be around 7/16" thick or almost a 1/2" thick... and about 1 1/2" wide... and the lenght to be determined later...
but would this give me a stave that would be tick enough to work into a 50# bow??? is my question or should i somehow make the ipe a little thicker by glueing up two 1/4" strips and then put the pecan and bamboo backing or just the bamboo with out the peacan...
any advise would be apprecaited thanks...
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Shooter, I'd glue the first Ipe strip to the Pecan backing, and make your bow no wider than 1 1/8" wide and glue it up in either slight reflex or r/d neither with more than an inch of reflex. Then I'd add the second strip after this has dried and you have a clean bow outline. Then I'd glue the second strip on the belly and just lightly bump the reflex a hair more than how the first one is at rest..
You will store a bit more energy, and have enough wood for a 60# bow give or take...
This is a cool thread!
Rich
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Go with what Rich said. He knows his ipe and ipe bows. ;)
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Rich,
that sounds like a great plan... thanks!!! this is what i need a very good plan and good advise... thank you...
but i want to make sure it understand correctly... so that i dont screw up the glue up... i have an idea how i can get a fairly easy reflex glue up but what exactly is r/d glue up this is waht im thinking of... please let me know if this will work,
what i want to do is get a piec of ply board or maybe a fairly desceantly straight 2x4 and then nail a 1x1 verticaly on both sides of the 2x4 maybe a couple of inches away from where the tips of the bow would be then lay the glue up on top of the 2x4 and clamp center down to the 2x4.. there for giving the glue up board a 1" reflex...right????
ok.. sooo if this works correctly then would nailing another 1x1 around the handle area in the center of the other two 1x1's and then clamping down the midle of both limbs then would this give a r/d design glue up???????
does this make sense??? would this work????
also... if the above design tempete will work for glue up then when i add additional strips i can then just tape additional riasers over the 1x1s to get the additional reflex i need reight????
ok... if this works then i also want to be clear on the glue up ,
rich you said i should glue up the peacan backing to the first piece of ipe... in reflex right?? ok...
then you said glue up a second strip??? were you talking about a second strip of pecanor use the boo??? on the back??? and then a second strip of ipe on the belly??? can you clear this up and i will take pictures and post up of the glue up board or 2x4 with risers as i go along to make sure its going to work as i build it up if ya'll dont mind walking me through this project maybe we can build this one togather ;D ;D ;D
if its not asking to much???
oh yea what length should i be looking at: i was thinking around 64-66" long but id really like one between 58 - 62" long... if its posible whats the shortest i could go for with this type of set up and material..????
also if i can get away with useing jsut the peacan as the backing on this on id like to try that ans then use the bamboo on another one later on... or if not i could use both on the same one just what ever will work best.. ;)
thanks guys i really appreciate your help on this one and i'm excited to start working on it...
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Shooter,
Make the bow the length you want. Length doesn't matter more than keeping the limbs from getting too thin or unstable from lack of taper. I would advise double your drawlength for a D style and if you have a handle add this length to the limbs as well..
It will have 3 parts. first is a backing of either bamboo or pecan, the second is the core of the 1/4" Ipe. I presume you have this already cut and want to use it..
I'd cut out the core to the bow outline you want, then match the backing to it, draw the outline on the backing and then give the backing a light taper to the tips.
Now you can play with making up a form to clamp the glued up assembly. Remember I like to use TB3 and inner tube strips so I don't have to worry about the clamps digging into the backing as its protected by the inner tube strips wrappings. 3 1" blocks can make a r/d for for a short bow and two for a reflexed one. I'd keep the reflex low on a short bow preferably under an inch. These bows don't have much wood anyhow and tillering one with a lot of reflex gives you less by the time it can be braced..
Just play with the blocks so the core and backing will easily bend into the shape you want. Often you can clamp the blocks into place and have a set-up you can change with the bow you are making..
After you have glued this up, you will want to shape the belly piece so it too will easily bend to fit the first part. Plus make sure the belly side of the core is smooth before gluing to the backing so you don't have to do this later..
Glue this on like the first assembly, and just push a touch more reflex in it, or just enough to store a little more energy on this glue line as well.
Rich
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Ok Rich,
i got you or understand i should say, the first and second part.. but like before you lost me on the third part...
1. pecan backing
2. ipe core..
3. ???????????
i understand the the glue up on the backing just fine and i can easily taper the thicknes of the backing strip to be thinner at the tips as well if that is what your saying... and i can even slightly taper the thickness of the belly core as well too
and then glue up the part 1 to part 2 with a r/d design and no problem...
but what is part 3... ???????????????????? another backing or another ipe belly core???
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I think he meant to glue on another ipe belly piece. Not sure about pecan but if you have the bamboo it would make a nice backing
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Ipe belly...And like Jesse mentioned, use the best quality backing you have. If you use Pecan, make sure the back of it follows a ring because its going to get tested. I use a lot of local bamboo and some from Asia on occasion for my backings.
Rich