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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: DanaM on March 10, 2009, 11:44:32 am
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Pats thread got me thinking with all the new folks joining up and getting the bow building bug perhaps a new section
could be created just for begineers. Many of the threads from the past dealing with a the same old questions could be moved
there and it would be a one stop place for the begineerer to do some research. The search function on here isn't the greatest
and can be cumbersome to use properly. I realize it would take some effort on the mods to move the threads but the membership
at large could help search through the old threads for good ones to place in the Begineers Corner. It could be placed in the Information
and Resources section, delete the link to the old board as its useless anyway and replace it with this one.
What do the rest of you think?
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make the mods work , i like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Being a noob I would love to see this. maybe even have a rookie botm?
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I think there's already something like that in place. It's called " how to's and build-a-longs"
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Kinda sorta Marc, but it doesn't really address many of the questions new folks ask.
They end up buried on page 150 or something :-\
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I think it's a good idea to have a beginner's category with past FAQ threads there for easy access.
Tracy
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This has ome up often, I have mixed feeling about it. Sometimes tecniques tend to change a bit or new ideas about tecniques from someone might be presented. I think the biggest focus on these forums has traditionaly been tward the newcomers, No problem asking the same question someone asked a few months ago. I like to watch how last years rookies are this year effectively fielding many of the questions from newbes that they might have been dealing with themselves a year or so ago. Sometimes when someone has been doing something for a long time our answers may not be as complete because we tend to take certain things for granted. I do think it is a good suggestion but for my self Ilike it as is. Steve
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Well put, Steve!
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I tend to lean towards Steve's line of thinking. Beside the reasons he stated I think that every time a new guy faces a dilemma he handles it a little different than the rest of us. He often learns something that the more experienced bowyer overlooked. The system the way it is promotes learning by the more experienced as well as the new guy. If the new guy doesn't want to participate or ask a question, he can use the search option. The buildalong section has some incredible info if you just want to follow along as you build. That is what it was set up for. What more could a new guy ask for. It does require a little searching, but in 6 months so would a new section. Justin
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Cast out and Downtrodden again Dana......................... :(
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That ain't no bad idea. Frank
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Well it looks like few responses but of the responses recieved I'd say its split pretty evenly for and against.
Of course one mod and two admins are against, guess than says it all. I don't understand why we don't have a
well organized Begineers Section sure would make it easier to refer a begineer to it than have to constantly repeat the same info ???
Seems to me we all started out knowing squat and I for one would have appreciated a easyily accessible reference section of information.
Oh well as they say you Can't Fight City Hall :D
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Well it looks like few responses but of the responses recieved I'd say its split pretty evenly for and against.
Of course one mod and two admins are against, guess than says it all. I don't understand why we don't have a
well organized Begineers Section sure would make it easier to refer a begineer to it than have to constantly repeat the same info ???
Seems to me we all started out knowing squat and I for one would have appreciated a easyily accessible reference section of information.
Oh well as they say you Can't Fight City Hall :D
No but you can sure whine about them. >:D ;D
I don't see what could be easier than asking and having 300 guys willing to answer any question you have. If you think it wouldn't be the same info repeated over and over you don't know human nature very well.
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I like the Idea.. I think there is alot of new guys that would like to just take the time to read this info and them if they still have a ? they would ask it..
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Not whining Justin just stating my opinion which happens to differ from yours ;) :)
It may be work, but if the founding fathers had that attitude where would we be? >:D ;D
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what about adopting jawge tsoukala's info and having it set as a dedicated page. itcovers the basics and is well written. just have to ask jawge
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Thats a good idea jamie, maybe include Mickey Lotz's web page also. I used both extensively when I started out :)
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I thought about doing that with George's site, also. I believe Mickey's site has been disables, from what I have heard.
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Yup Mickey's is gone :( Too bad it was a good one.
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Lots of good info lost for good! :(
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It is kind of depressing when we loose a site like Mickey's.
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It is kind of depressing when we loose a site like Mickey's.
Is anyone in touch with him, perhaps he has all his info saved and would be wiling to donate it to PA. If that is even possible from
technical aspect.
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I think some of the guys on TradGang tried to retrieve it with no success.
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Dang he had so much good stuff on his site :(
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I like the idea, but just as happens with many other forums, these forums won't be visited often by experienced bowyers.
I could post the same bow I posted in the warbow section, on this forum, and get 3times as much replies. There's always a main forum, it's the 'bows' forum here. New guys will ask their questions here anyways, since they will get better and more replies on it.
so it's a great idea, in theory, but it won't be so effective in real. IMho.
Nick
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There used to be a separate beginners section on this forum a few years ago. I don't remember what it was called but I seem to remember that it was well travelled. Jawge
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Thanks George, My whole point is if we had a begineers section is it would be easy to refer them over to the section where many of the FAQ
would have ready made answers. As jamie suggested a link to your site stickied to the top would be fantastic.
Sure would like to see some more input from the regulars :)
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Dana, I posted a handle wrap in the build along forum last night. Do I get a prize? :)
As for Mickey, he has kinda lost the spark. Hasn't built a bow in a couple years now. He announced @ Mojam last year that it would probly be his last. I guess that is one reason his site is not running? Sad. Just trying to live life I rekon. He and Di have has some health issues as of late, so that sure doesn't help.
Really had a lot of stuff on there.
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I like the Idea myself. It seems and I am real guilty of it, but when somebody ask's a real basic question, I don't respond very quick. I know if I stall, or busy at work, 20 people will answer it appropriatly. A go - to page, I think would work.
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I like the idea of a beginner's section....but instead of posting links to old articles, we could each contribute tips that we think newcomers should know. There seems to be only a few questions that keep coming up, so I think it wouldn't take much time to post your "beginner's tips".
Here are some questions I see over and over again:
- Is yadayada a good wood for bows? (answer: yes, as long as the bow is designed properly).
- How long do I dry a stave of yadayada wood before I make a bow from it? (answer: weigh it every day, and when it stops loosing weight for 3 days in a row, wait a week, and it's ready.....read TBB, Vol 1, page 41).
- What do I back my yadayada bow with? (answer: TBB, Vol 1, chapters 10 & 11).
- Where do I get yadayada wood staves? (answer: Primitive Archer trading post, trash piles, wood lots with owner's permission, internet mail order).
- What finish do I use for my yadayada bow? (answer: whatever you would use on a fine piece of furniture).
- Is the yadayada wood stave still good if it has worm holes, big knots, or checks? (answer: nope)
- What is the correct way of doing such and such? (answer: there are several correct ways).
- Do you guys find yourselves looking at trees funny (with lust) after you've made your first bow? (answer: yep).
- Why can't I find the info I'm looking for on such and such? (answer: you need to search the net for longer than 5 minutes.....MUCH longer.....perhaps 7 or 8 minutes).
- How do I process a deer for sinew, rawhide, bones, etc? (answer: you need to search the net for longer than 5 minutes.....MUCH longer.....perhaps 7 or 8 minutes).
- Where do I get new ideas for my bows, arrows, and such? (answer: you need to search the net for longer than 5 minutes.....MUCH longer.....perhaps 7 or 8 minutes).
-What does such and such mean? (answer: you need to search the net for longer than 5 minutes.....MUCH longer.....perhaps 7 or 8 minutes).
Anyway, you get the idea. My advice to new people is make the investment in as many books as you can.......make and break as many bows as you can.....make, shoot and loose as many arrows as you can......and then after a few months, ask your questions. You will understand the advice much better with a little experience.
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i like the idea with reservations. i am guilty of skipping the research and asking my question.thank you, for your indulgence !
i felt like friends had taken time out of thier day to respond to me. just my thoughts, and truly thanks guys for the personal touch.
chuck
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...or, I've never heard of yadayada wood...is it as good as osage? ;D
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good thinkin.
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...or, I've never heard of yadayada wood...is it as good as osage? ;D
;D ;D ;D
Im not going to tell you exactly what just yet, but lets say some of us had been thinking about something for a while. The loss of Mickey's site has prompted us to action. It isn't a newby board, but I think you will like it. Watch the announcements for more info.
Man I love keeping Dana in suspense. >:D :-*
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Well Justin I don't mind ya having a little fun with me ;) Because I certainly take my shots at folks also ;D
I guess great minds think alike :D Glad to hear that something is in the works and if I can help just ask eh :)
I just thought it would be a good idea to have a central place for the new guys. We all want to encourage the new guy and in the process increase our numbers :)
I still feel the bowyer needs to do their homework and make an effort to answer their own questions. While we are all
willing to help out, the guy that comes on with zero knowledge and bombards the board with rookie questions is doing
a disservice to us but also to himself. Information is readily available, not just here but on countless other websites, books and magazines.
Timo I think you should get a prize for your build along it was great. I think they should give you the very first MOM(Member of the Month) award and a hat. ;) ;D
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As a newbie at trying to make my own hunting equipment. I really wish someone could tell me how to search this site because I would ifn I could . Seems to me that I always get results on my search of all kinds of things and certainly not what I typed in so I dont use it. I could learn alot more if I could. I am not putting down on this site at all just wish I could spend more time learning about a specific problem or style without having to spend my time weeding through to fins what im looking for. It's probably me anyway I know i'm not doing something right. would someone send me a PM with more specific instructions. On the up side it makes me sign on everyday so I dont miss anything ;)........... peace everybody.
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Redwasp, feel free to ask questions. A lot of time it is about knowing what word to search for. I know that when someone asks a question I usually remember 1 or 2 specific posts. If I can remember the title of the post it makes it pretty easy to search and find. Then I post the link for the new guy. It is usually the easiest way to handle it. Justin