yeah, I use a 15 foot metal one, but I hate it.theres just no foot room, unless the deer is to my left, im screwed. I hunted out of a metal one yesterday that was 18 foot up, plenty of legroom to get the best angle on a shot, it was great.(pretty high up though) We usually get in the trees in the winter, starting early this year. oh and for anyone in the midwest: this weather is real odd, did anyone see any deer moving? I didnt see a friggin thing, and I was in my stand all day! good luck whitewoodshunter -jimmy