thats rhyolite ,tiller,and thanks to all you guys for your compliments,im glad to be a part of this site, and PA, it is so nice to talk with people that can appreciate archery for what it is,i have lingered in the shadows and background for years doing my own thing,because of the mockery and jest that most other bowhunters have made about primitive bows and the skills alike.i hope to be here for a long time,i dont know everything but i do have input and suggestions,and will help anyone i can,i will do my best to share info and knowledge as i can, and try to do some tutorials and build alongs if i can pull everything together. thanks again all of you.............robustus