thanks...and i hope that warbow works out for you...btw, have you tried any douglas fir yet? Where I work, there's so much vertical grained douglas fir it'd make you sick. One of these days i'll pull a couple scraps out of there ( i mean, GOOD scraps) and test it as a core wood. We have all the great woodworking tools, so I can use a jointer to taper the core wood, a thickness sander for parallel laminations...oh, i am in heaven.