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Offline Lorenzo

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A friend of mine asked me to make him a 30 pound @28" shortbow.

I produced one but it draws 40 lbs at 28". I need to take away 10 lbs without losing too much time or risking to alter the tiller too much in the process...

Yesterday I took away about 3 lbs with the drawknife but since the bow is already basically finished every time I shave away with it alters the tiller a bit and I have to retiller too often for my liking.

Shaving away with a knife or scraper allows you to keep the tiller better but you remove less material and it takes a lot of time and energy.

I was thinking about hand sanding with heavy grit paper but that also takes a long time, unless done with a power tool, which I am very skeptical about using, also because I like to keep everything hand-made.

Is there a cost-effective solution for this kind of operation?

Thanks for the insight



Offline Selfbowman

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2021, 06:48:36 am »
Quality light bows are a pain for me anyway. If it’s has a good tiller choose the tool of choice and count your strokes on each side of the limb and repeat till you reach desired weight . Also rounding the belly is easier but might take more set. Just part of tillering. Arvin
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Offline RyanY

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2021, 08:30:09 am »
Narrow the width by 25%.

Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2021, 08:55:36 am »
I use an orbital sander and work the limbs and fades, any wood removal in the fades seems to drop poundage fairly quickly. !0 passes with an orbital sander with 120 grit paper usually drops about one pound for me.

I continually check with my tillering gizmo and sand any limb marks slightly more than the rest of the limb.

I stop sanding when I am about 3 or 4# over target and shoot the bow in all over again to see how much poundage drops during shoot in. When I made bows for people I would try to give them a bow that was 2# over target because I knew it would drop a little more with a lot of use.

When you get into the lower poundage bows the weight comes off very quickly so I would not make 10 passes with a sander if you should try one, proceed cautiously. 

Offline Pat B

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2021, 10:54:49 am »
If the limbs are well tillered you can scrape each limb, full length and the same amount for each limb. after a few scrapes exercise well and check the weight. It shouldn't take much scraping to get the weight down. Do keep eyeing the tiller as you go so the bow doesn't get out of whack.
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Offline PatM

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2021, 11:52:56 am »
Buy your friend a cheap  set of dumbbells.

Offline Selfbowman

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2021, 12:25:07 pm »
Buy your friend a cheap  set of dumbbells.

Good one.😁
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Offline bradsmith2010

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2021, 03:19:25 pm »
no its not easy,,the more experienced you get,, its even more difficult,, because you get pickier about the end results,, :D  Dan Perry did suggest side tillering to reduce weight without changing the tiller,,
« Last Edit: November 10, 2021, 04:06:28 pm by bradsmith2010 »

Offline Woody roberts

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2021, 06:06:01 pm »
I’ve had my best luck side tillering. Doesn’t take much

Offline mmattockx

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2021, 07:53:07 pm »
Narrow the width by 25%.

+1. This is the easiest way to adjust weight without messing up the tiller. Keep in mind that 25% is 25% of the width at each point, not a fixed width along the full length of the limb. If a fixed amount is taken off the width over the full length then the tiller will be very messed up.


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Offline Selfbowman

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2021, 09:14:32 pm »
Narrow the width by 25%.

+1. This is the easiest way to adjust weight without messing up the tiller. Keep in mind that 25% is 25% of the width at each point, not a fixed width along the full length of the limb. If a fixed amount is taken off the width over the full length then the tiller will be very messed up.

And it could get to narrow and take set if the design was already as wide as the wood will allow . There lots of ways to skin this cat . Including trapping the back.Arvin
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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2021, 10:29:53 pm »
PatM: laconic, accurate  ;D

Offline mmattockx

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2021, 12:11:54 am »
And it could get to narrow and take set if the design was already as wide as the wood will allow . There lots of ways to skin this cat . Including trapping the back.Arvin

It won't take any more set than it took getting to 40# @ 28" because the limbs don't bend more when it is narrowed, they just generate less draw force at the same bend. It could get too narrow near the tips and become weak or unstable, though.

Trapping hasn't been mentioned and that is another good option if done carefully.


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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2021, 03:06:32 am »
And it could get to narrow and take set if the design was already as wide as the wood will allow . There lots of ways to skin this cat . Including trapping the back.Arvin

It won't take any more set than it took getting to 40# @ 28" because the limbs don't bend more when it is narrowed, they just generate less draw force at the same bend. It could get too narrow near the tips and become weak or unstable, though.

Trapping hasn't been mentioned and that is another good option if done carefully.


Mark

That's the way.
It would only take 30 minutes or so. Very easy to reduce width compared to thickness.

Offline PatM

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Re: Fast and safe way to achieve desired poundage on a bow in production
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2021, 06:34:37 am »
We'd  need to know the length and current width of the limbs before truly reaching a solution. At least one not involving light weight training.