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Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« on: May 13, 2008, 04:32:02 am »
Got access to a ton of wild rose shoots on a neighbors property and I am in the process of turning them into arrows. Anyone have sugestions and hints for doing this?  How should they be trimmed?

Also, I found that these dry very diferently than sapling shoots. Seems the small second year growths are the best and the ones that are forced to reach for sun are the straightest.

Anyone made these before? How do they shoot?

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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2008, 09:24:09 am »
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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2008, 09:24:36 am »
Most species of roses make good arrows. I've used multiflora, Carolina, and swamp rose. Leave them a little long, some kinds check badly. I've found that I can usually peel the bark on multiflora, but swamp rose checks to hell if you peel it too quickly. I let them season awhile, periodically hand straightening them, then debark, heat-straighten, and plane them down to diameter with a thumb plane. Like you already found, you need at least second-year shoots, the first year ones are thin-walled with a lot of pith. They're not as tough as some hardwood shoots, but at least as strong as cedar shafts and heavy enough for hunting arrows.
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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2008, 09:44:27 am »
I would agree Hillbilly with the Swamp rose checking more and severe. MF seems to check sometimes even when I debark after cutting. I know that peopple suggest not to but it works fine for me and saves time because it's a lot like debarking Hickory when the sap is up.

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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2008, 05:52:11 pm »
I found less checking, with multiflora anyway, if you de-bark all but the last inch or two from the ends.
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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2008, 05:56:54 pm »
Dont know what type it is but when it gets older it can grow really tall.  It also has tons of small little thorns on it and the early skin on it is brown then becomes a grey with age. Those growing under tall trees and brush seem to loose most of their thorns and grow thick and very straight with few side shoots. It also gets small pinkish red flowers with a yellow center. Any idea which type this is?

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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2008, 06:01:31 pm »
I'm probably wrong for your area, but sounds like multiflora to me.
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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2008, 06:23:01 pm »
Multiflora usually has small white flowers, not pink. Looking at the USDA map, you have several native roses plus several introduced ones in OR. You'll probably have to do a bit of research to see which one you have. If it makes good arrowshafts, just call it "arrowshaft rose".  :)
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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2008, 08:36:43 pm »
Makes really good shafts Steve (Got it right this time!)  ;D But, I seem never to get a chance to really work on the stuff and make much from it. Now that I have a ton of it I will be playing with it more.

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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2008, 09:13:13 pm »
Multiflora usually has small white flowers, not pink.

Naw, I've seen pink flowers as well on multiflora -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiflora_Rose
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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2008, 09:14:30 pm »
Nope, thats not it. Bark is all wrong. Thanks for the try on ident!
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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2008, 07:08:06 pm »
HEy Dave!!

YEah dude, I know the wild rose you're talking about.  I've found it in Oregon in the dry side of the cascades.  IT grows really straight and has tons of needle-like thorns all over it.  I've used it for arrows and it works great.  Second year growth is much better.  Dave Cheney and Steve Allely use syringa, but wild rose is also really, really good.  Oceanspray is also an excellent arrow material.

Hope you're doing well over there!

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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2008, 07:26:48 pm »
Doing great Billy! Yep! Thats the one! You wouldnt happen to know what the species is?

Things here are good. Just got back from the Tenn. Classic. You have got to join us all there  next year. It was a heck of a good time. I will try and get Keenan and Dave to come allong too. Think you can make it?

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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2008, 07:31:01 pm »
Could it be Rosa rugosa?     Pat
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Re: Rose shoots for arrow shafts?
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2008, 07:42:00 pm »
Thats IT! Rosa Rugosa! Thanks Pat!
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