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Offline El Destructo

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Question On Locust Staves
« on: May 01, 2008, 11:09:02 pm »
Do you have to work Locust like Osage....no Sapwood??? Or just strip the Bark like Ash or Hickory???? I am not even for sure that this is Locust....just taking the Neighbors word for it..... My Wife thought it was Green Ash!!   Here is a Closeup of the Rings....can anyone tell me by this and the Bark for sure what it is??? Any help will be appreciated immensely!!

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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2008, 11:45:56 pm »
well i cant tell you what it is.however it doesnt look like the blacklocust that my neighbor has.
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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2008, 12:35:44 am »
Here either. The bark does'nt look right.  But if you saw the tree and it had thorns all over it you can pretty much bet it's some variety of locust. I may be way off base though.
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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2008, 12:59:58 am »
That doesn't look like BL. Yes, you should remove the sapwood if you have enough heartwood. Jawge
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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2008, 01:01:41 am »
Quote from: Hickoryswitch on May 02, 2008, 12:35:44 am
Here either. The bark does'nt look right.  But if you saw the tree and it had thorns all over it you can pretty much bet it's some variety of locust. I may be way off base though.

No thorns at all....but then there are Sunburst Locust....and they have no thorns.........the leaves were small and thin and lined up like these on the Stems

Jawge...look at the Pictrure...them are 4X4 Oaks on the Concrete....the Log is about 12 inches across....and has about one third whitewood....so thats a lot of Sapwood to remove....I sure wish I could tell if this was Locust or Soapberry.....or some other Texas Tree

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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2008, 10:13:29 am »
Black locust has smalllll spines on newer shoots. Honey locust(Gleditsia triacanthos) sometimes has the huge thorns in threes poking out of limbs and trunk, but not always. It looks more like the smooth bark of honey locust and definitely not the thick deep furrowed bark of the BL. Good for making bows either way you look at it.

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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2008, 11:00:25 am »
Its a species of Honey locust, in the genus Gleditsia.  Differenet genus than Black Locust.  Should be good.  Remove the sapwood.

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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 01:25:23 pm »
Looks like the Honey Locust i cut down.



This one didn't have any thorns though........
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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2008, 01:26:09 pm »
Quote from: snedeker on May 02, 2008, 11:00:25 am
Its a species of Honey locust, in the genus Gleditsia.  Differenet genus than Black Locust.  Should be good.  Remove the sapwood.

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                                   it will  run at least 50/50 through all of these Staves when they are worked down

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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2008, 01:29:03 pm »
Quote from: John K on May 02, 2008, 01:25:23 pm
Looks like the Honey Locust i cut down.
This one didn't have any thorns though........

Mine didn't have Thorns either....and the Heartwood is kinda reddish too....but yours has a lot more heartwood.....mine has a Bunch of Sapwood....wont be much usable wood once all of the Sapwood is removed
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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2008, 04:40:19 pm »
Well that IS some pretty thick sapwood, and it has well-defined early/late phases in growth rings with thick late growth.  You might want to try one on the sapwood and one on the heart and compare.  Whip those up this weekend and report back

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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2008, 04:47:38 pm »
Well Dave.........It may be a Tad too wet still .....dontcha think!!!!!!!!! Since I just cut her last weekend!! But I am going to try a Billet Bow with the Sapwood on.....and see if it split or not.....I havent ever had any luck with Sapwood on Osage Bows.....but I have seen them built.....Mine always split right to the Heartwood!!
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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2008, 04:50:43 pm »
Good luck, I know on the stuff i cut the sap wood is no where as near as strong as the heart wood.. That heart wood is STRONG stuff !!
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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2008, 05:08:52 pm »
I've had that problem with BL. Sometimes you have to leave a little sapwood on. I found the closer you get to the heartwood the stronger the sapwood. Never used HL though. Jawge
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Re: Question On Locust Staves
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2008, 05:25:47 pm »
Quote from: George Tsoukalas on May 02, 2008, 05:08:52 pm
I've had that problem with BL. Sometimes you have to leave a little sapwood on. I found the closer you get to the heartwood the stronger the sapwood. Never used HL though. Jawge

Any Advice would be welcomed Jawge....you are a lot more experienced at this than I am... Sould I chase a Ring in the Sapwood....or just leave it like it is till it dries...and then see???
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