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Offline DC

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Dutchmen
« on: June 12, 2020, 12:43:57 pm »
For those of you that have used dutchmen to replace knots(Yew in this case) did you concern yourself with the grain direction of the dutchman? Did you just make them round?

Offline Ricardovanleeuwen

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2020, 02:33:53 pm »
As i am a dutch man i am really starting to wonder what It is haha

Offline PatM

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2020, 02:34:35 pm »
I' don't do repairs  or anything less than perfect wood but studying a wood strength chart would give you the best answer.  You can usually  find the numbers for various woods in each grain configuration.  Yew seems pretty homogenous though.

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2020, 02:35:44 pm »
As i am a dutch man i am really starting to wonder what It is haha

 The thumb and the dyke.   That may sound wrong.

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2020, 03:07:54 pm »
When you cut out an imperfection and replace it with a good piece of wood, the good piece is called a dutchman. Something about being better than the rest ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2020, 05:41:07 pm »
Oh Pat, you are a very naughty boy! :)

As long as the knot is sound I don't bother plugging it. You still need to compensate for it in the bow's layout, especially on the width of the back.
If the knot is loose, I will clean it out, then plug it, with a Dutchman.

I cater the shape of the plug to the shape of the knot. Dowel if possible, otherwise conical taper, with a flattened point. Never drill any deeper than is absolutely necessary.

Use a really good gap filling glue, like a slow setting, rock hard epoxy, or urac etc.

Offline PatM

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2020, 09:49:06 pm »
In Massey's book he recommends the plug be glued in with the grain vertical as in edge grained.

Offline DC

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2020, 12:06:28 am »
So the grain would match bow and plug?

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2020, 01:49:24 am »
Make an 'end grain' dowel.

Offline bassman

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2020, 05:26:49 am »
Same term a Boiler Maker uses to patch a tube.

Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2020, 07:05:17 am »
I have tried several of these plugs and never had one hold up for the long run. They would always split and take the split into the rest of the limb.

Offline Stickhead

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2020, 07:35:14 am »
I remember a bow of the month winner that was Dutch Elm with a Dutchman, made by a Dutchman (Leonwood).

Offline Del the cat

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2020, 08:51:49 am »
I generally put my plugs in with the growth rings running parallel to the length of the bow, But I don't think it really makes any difference.
Just checked back through my blog and they are actually pretty random!  ::)
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Offline DC

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2020, 09:17:04 am »
I generally put my plugs in with the growth rings running parallel to the length of the bow, But I don't think it really makes any difference.
Just checked back through my blog and they are actually pretty random!  ::)
Del

How do you make a dowel with the grain running across it?

Offline PatM

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Re: Dutchmen
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2020, 09:34:22 am »
I generally put my plugs in with the growth rings running parallel to the length of the bow, But I don't think it really makes any difference.
Just checked back through my blog and they are actually pretty random!  ::)
Del

How do you make a dowel with the grain running across it?

 With a plug cutter.