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Offline DC

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Front profile
« on: April 14, 2019, 10:21:14 am »
Is the choice of the front profile purely aesthetic? I realise each one has its own tillering needs but parallel, leaf shaped, pyramid etc. Does one do different things than the others. Just keep it to straight bows, I realise that recurves like a little width at the end to counter twist.

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2019, 10:26:34 am »
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Offline DC

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2019, 11:43:15 am »
This isn't about tiller, it's just about the shape itself. You can tiller it any way you please. ;D

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2019, 12:20:25 pm »
This isn't about tiller, it's just about the shape itself. You can tiller it any way you please. ;D
Au contraire  ::)
It's all about tiller, but you can have it any shape you like  ;D >:D
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Offline George Tsoukalas

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2019, 12:21:55 pm »
IMHO, a pyramid bow should be tillered to bend more where the wood is widest which  is the near handle area resulting in a more circular tiller.

Conversely, a stave with parallel limbs should have an elliptical tiller.

All of this is to diminish set.

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Offline SLIMBOB

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2019, 12:30:05 pm »
Agree with jawge. The front profile does matter to me. If I can keep the midlimbs from taking set by keeping them a tad wider, and I can, then it’s worth considering. Once that decision is made you can fret over tiller shape.
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Offline PatM

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2019, 12:37:40 pm »
 A agree with Del.  I've never bought the tiller/front profile matching theory.

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2019, 01:55:42 pm »
But this question is not about the tiller. ;D ;D It's just about the front profile shape. Is it just cosmetic or is there a reason for choosing pyramid over parallel or vice versa.

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2019, 02:18:23 pm »
My opinion, yes it matters irrespective of the tiller shape.  I did straight pyramids in all my early bows.  It worked fine on many, but some took set midlimb especially if I stiffened and recurved the tips.  By widening the width of the limb mid limb, it minimized that problem.  On my early Hackberry bows set was a real problem.  I now carry the width out nearly to the tips, like a Meare Heath type design.  That and a better understanding of the benefits of heat tempering....My Hackberry takes no more set than any other woods.....Then we get into the whole "tiller should match the front profile"kerfuffle.  Del might swallow his pipe if we get to deep into that topic.  (I don't know if Del smokes a pipe, but it sounds so utterly ...British). :)
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Offline bradsmith2010

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2019, 02:35:35 pm »
i think it might be a consideration,, depending on the type of wood,,
for example, hickhory might like being a little wider ,, than osage,, some profiles giving a higher rate of succes with certain types of wood,,
as seen ,, most woods can make a pretty good bow with a profile not normally used,,,hickory can make a narrow long bow,, but yew might make a better narrow long bow,, etc etc,,etc,,

sometimes I choose a wider profile,, if I am making draw long for the length of wood,, )P(

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2019, 03:16:08 pm »
 Depends how hard you want to work the wood.     
 
 Jim Davis will be here shortly to espouse the pyramid as the only necessary bow design. ;)

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Re: Front profile
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2019, 03:20:17 pm »
Tim Baker as well I believe.
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Re: Front profile
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2019, 03:28:08 pm »
Pyramid bows are all about obtaining proper tiller: Correct..??  Personally I do not like the looks of Pyramid bows.   I never build a bow wider than 1 7/16"  -  1 9/16"..  As far as twist goes if I cant correct it,  the bow hangs on the wall of shame.  (--)
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Re: Front profile
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2019, 04:26:12 pm »
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Re: Front profile
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2019, 05:21:34 pm »
Cmon Brad. This was your turn. 🤔
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