I just picked up a couple old clunkers that I had made in the past and was the best I could do at the time and didn't think I could get past all the hinges and stuff so they got throwed in a bucket.
Heck I'm thrilled to be able to finally make a good point out of them. There's a bunch more where these came from.

I didn't get before pics of the red one but it was similar to the other one with step fractures all over it and out of shape.