I'm using primarily my draw knife for this part, but scraping a little with my pocket knife as well, I've blown past a couple heart wood rings and am getting close to ruining the stave. oh well, it's free BL, tons of it around Idaho, and I've got 2 serviceberry staves and a yew to work with anyhow. I'm think that my drawknife might be a little dull since I'm not able to get very small shavings at all. Or is that just this hard BL? thanks again hillbilly