BowEd, thanks for your reply, I will post a photo when I get back home. Im in the office today. I just feel that I will have to shave it down to that one ring the rest of the way down the stave, because my draw knife isnt easily liftfing or glding through that sapwood like others have suggested. It is soo thin and unestablished, if I may, that it is like stuck tight onto the heartwood I am after. It is a barely noticeable white thin fuzz over the much thicker heartwood ring, that only seems to move with light scrapes over the heartwood itself. I dont want to dig into the heartwood, which almost seems inevitable if I take a draw knife to it.