Earlier this month Greg Mike and I went to Chris's house for the weekend to make bows. I brought a fairly clean Osage stave with me. nasty knot in the handle and mid limb on the bottom. I ended up digging out the knot and leaving some extra beef around it. Turned out 66" ntn and 52@26. I copied Chris's Hickory sapwood Heartwood stagger for my tips. And I believe Clint sent the handle material to Chris. It is heavy duty ace bandage like material for farm animals. It's surprisingly soft comfortable and stays together well. Just a simple longbow but shoots real well. Thanks for looking