JW, they need to redo a spillway for a dam at work and in doing so need to remove some trees, a few are large black locust that I have had my eye on. I tried before but was not given permission to cut them. Now that they need to come down I may be able to get um. I just found this out last week so I need to goto the source and not just hear say. If/When I do I'll let you know. Mike