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Offline Ryan Jacob

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Is hide gule good enough?
« on: February 28, 2018, 06:19:39 am »
So I got lucky and found out that the gardening shop across the street sells 10 foot long and atleast 4 inch wide poles of bamboo, fresh cut to boot. Now if I do buy a pole, would hide glue hold up to wood om wood backing?
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Offline PatM

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Re: Is hide gule good enough?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2018, 06:24:29 am »
Hide glue held together a lot of Yumi bows. You have to use it properly though.
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Re: Is hide gule good enough?
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2018, 06:30:49 am »
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As in groove, size a couple times, wrap, and let cure? That’s what I’ve heard.
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Offline Marc St Louis

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Re: Is hide gule good enough?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2018, 07:18:43 am »
Grooving is not necessary with wood/Bamboo, that is used on horn, but sanding is good
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Is hide gule good enough?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2018, 07:48:12 am »
If you are going to the trouble to make a bamboo backed bow, why not spend a few extra bucks and use a proven glue that is stronger than hide glue?
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Offline PatM

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2018, 07:49:41 am »
Isn't hide glue proven? ;)
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Offline Badger

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Re: Is hide gule good enough?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2018, 07:56:54 am »
   I used a lot of hide glue when I was starting off and don't remember having problems with it. I switched over to fish glue already prepared and I liked it a bit better but it tended to stay tacky where it was exposed to the air on sinew.
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Offline gfugal

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Re: Is hide gule good enough?
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2018, 10:39:24 am »
Hide glue was used exclusively historically when they didn't have epoxy or wood glue. So yes it is proven. However, it will take much longer to dry and cure than a modern glue, and it can't get wet while in use.
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Offline PEARL DRUMS

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2018, 10:55:11 am »
I have to agree. Hide glue is very, very proven. But, I would opt for a modern "water proof" glue. I would like the work time it offers and its less susceptible to climate change.
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Offline PatM

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2018, 10:56:27 am »
I think Ryan might have previously mentioned difficulty obtaining glue where he is.

edted to confirm.  "
 "" The TruValue here in the Philippines doesn't stock titebond 1,2,3 or any goo epoxys. Sorry about the confusing part their, I meant easy access to glues. I'm only 13 so shipping is a no-go. I'll heck out the build along threads though I do wish I had more access to bow making glues. Would hide glue work well in a high humidity country?"

 I do wonder if plain old yellow carpenters glue is available.
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Offline gfugal

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Re: Is hide gule good enough?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2018, 11:05:02 am »
Quote from: PatM on February 28, 2018, 10:56:27 am
I think Ryan might have previously mentioned difficulty obtaining glue where he is.

edted to confirm.  "
 "" The TruValue here in the Philippines doesn't stock titebond 1,2,3 or any goo epoxys. Sorry about the confusing part their, I meant easy access to glues. I'm only 13 so shipping is a no-go. I'll heck out the build along threads though I do wish I had more access to bow making glues. Would hide glue work well in a high humidity country?"

 I do wonder if plain old yellow carpenters glue is available.

Well, the Chinese bows were made with Hide Glue no? and some parts of China get pretty humid, but that's a good question. How does hide glue hold up in hot temperatures at 75-95% humidity? It just might take longer to dry, and it might not bond as strong but maybe strong enough.
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Offline PEARL DRUMS

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Re: Is hide gule good enough?
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2018, 11:13:06 am »
I don't know that answer, Greg. What I do know is it doesn't take much heat to become a liquid again. And, I'm sure the change in climate effects we sometimes see on sinew backed bows cant be solely attributed to the sinew, the glue has to "give" as well.
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Offline DC

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Re: Is hide gule good enough?
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2018, 11:24:57 am »
Didn't the Chinese use fish glue? It's a little more waterproof I think.
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Offline PatM

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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2018, 11:57:23 am »
They also used birchbark and lacquer.
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Is hide gule good enough?
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2018, 03:08:31 pm »
My point is; speculation is one thing, actual experience is another. How many of us have made a bamboo backed bow with hide glue. I haven't read about anybody doing this on the PA site but could be wrong.

If anyone has done such let us know how it came out and held up. I don't expect there to be many hands raised because we all chose a better glue. Boy, I wish the old Urac was still around.
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