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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2017, 08:01:20 am »
I though to save me some typing I would just post an article I wrote for P.A  a few years back, pretty much says it all except I do wished I had had a site like this when I started, it sure would have changed the learning curve. ;) Merry Christmas everyone.
  How it began

I thought I would do an article on how I got started in selfbows and it is really hard to say. I know everyone’s story is different but this is mine. I started like a lot of folks with a compound in 1975 and almost from the beginning I shied Away from the technical stuff. I just wanted it plane and simple. I went to feathers right off and never wanted to use a release, I used one pin and a broad head I had to sharpen my self. In about 1980 I felt the urge to shoot a recurve so I got an old Person fiberglass recurve and started trying to learn to shoot. It wasn’t long until I ordered a Big Horn custom re curve and thought I was set. Some friends heard about Cloverdale Traditional nationals and we made the first one of their shoots. I fell in love with the Long Bows I seen there and had to have one. I ordered a Cohana Wind walker and loved it. I always had a desire to make my own even from the start so I began in 1990 to try. No one I knew was doing that so it was trial and error, mostly error. Then in 92 I meet Gary Davis and found out an old friend of mine Mike Conkle that I hadn’t seen in a while had been building bows. Between Mike and Gary I was off and running, Gary showed me a lot on the lay out and what to look for in the wood and Mike would look over my work and show me where I had went wrong, lots of wrongs to start. It wasn’t to long before I had a shooter and to me that was the greatest feeling in the world. It’s a frustrating thing to try and learn on you own but it ant rocket science if you have someone to help you a long ,it helps more than I can say. I have all the   Bowyer bibles 1/2/3/4 and have read them several times, but there is nothing like hands on when it comes to building wood bows. I build several bows a year for hunting but am mostly involved in trying to pass it on to folks that want to learn. It is a great feeling for me to see a beginning bowyer get his/her first bow to brace and then get it shooting. How it began it is hard to say but I tell people that ask that it seems from the start I have been going backwards in time instead of chasing all the high teck stuff. We all have a place in archery but for me it is the simple self bow. ;) :) :)
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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2017, 10:16:08 am »
   Pappy, I learned a lot when I went to Twin oaks. The first thing I did when I got home was build myself a caul per Gary Davis instruction. I had all these short pices of wood cut to different shapes laying around and had never gotten around to making a caul. Worth its weight in gold. I have several now.

   One thing I had forgotten about in my beginning was that to keep my early bows from breaking I started using fiberglass cloth backings on them. I hated everything about fiberglass. When I was a kid all the rich kids had fiberglass bows and they would outshoot my $3.00 hickory bow. All I ever wanted to do was to beat them with a wood bow. I had no concept of arrow weight or spine and some of my old arrows I made back then weighed about 1200 grains and would drop like rocks past 20 yards.

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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2017, 11:01:24 am »
I've shot bows all of my life but never thought about a wood bow until my grandad gave me one he had as a kid.  Someone had found it before I could get it, and they had probably bent it backwards, as many do, and it was broken.  I fixed it for a wall hanger but wanted a shooter BAD after that.  I saw an ad online by a man in Texas named Joe Mattingly looking to trade his selfbows for glass bows. I traded an old Bear for a sweet osage bow that I shoot to this day.  He coached me online and convinced me to attend MoJam, where I learned enough to make my own.  Gregg Coffey was also a huge help when he helped me learn to make bamboo backed bows.  Gary Davis has been mentioned by some and deserves praise as one that has helped hundreds make their first bow.  I miss him at MoJam....and Badger, Mickey the Ferret, Will, Cliff, JD Jones, John S., Rich, and many many others... Maybe some of them/you will make it to this years 20th anniversary MoJam in July!   :BB
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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2017, 11:18:48 am »
Oldest son, at about age ten, said “Dad, I can go deer hunting with a bow at 12, right? I don’t have to wait until 14, like with a gun, do I?” This old man figured he’d better blow the dust off the old recurve I had lying around. Tried that for a couple of years, then bought a modern made longbow (still have it), tried wheel bow for a short time, then wanted a takedown recurve. “Kit bows” were just sanding and finishing the riser on a factory made bow. Not good enough. Decided that if people had made their own archery tackle for thousands of years, I could, too. Started looking around, reading, attending archery rendezvous (Marshall Mi is an easy drive from here) and haven’t bought a bow since. Made a few marginal ones. Never broke one, though. Not yet. Still lots of time for that. 😉
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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #49 on: December 24, 2017, 03:52:23 pm »
Always had bows around and would practice now and again.  When my daughter was 4, we went to a lumber store to look for material for knife handle scales.  I saw a board of osage,  I'd heard it makes a good bow wood.  So I picked it up, cut into billets and made my kid a little bow with drywall tape backing.  It was fun and she enjoyed it.  I thought to myself, I bet I could scale it up and make one for me.  From there it's been a debilitating OCD that is for sure going to send me to an earlier grave.
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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #50 on: December 25, 2017, 12:42:31 am »
Some of the elders from my tribe still make bows and other wood crafts. My real interest peaked after i started to hunt with my bear grizzly back when i was twelve. as i progressed in using and becoming successful with the Grizzly i felt the need to start making my own bows and all of my other equipment. It was at that time i started to ask the elders how they made their bows. I also purchased several books on bow making. What really helped me out the most was taking lessons from Jim Hamm. This is when my passion took ahold of me and never let go. I also met and became friend with other bowyers here in Pa. such as Denny Mears,and Leon Stewart. their knowledge helped me out so much also. I wish i belonged to this index years ago. This is a great place to keep the fire burning in you to keep making them and learn other peoples input and ideas.

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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2017, 08:19:17 pm »
Because,in my mind,as a kid,i thought that any self respecting NDN knew how to make a bow,so i got started...I made typical bows,that a kid would make,and was quite happy with them..After one of many of my bows broke,i was starting on another from a juniper branch,like Ishi did...My old Grandad walked by and asked,what i was doing..Makin a bow i said...He looked at me kinda strange and walked off.I thought he was thinkin i was crazy,,but he came back a few minutes later,,carrying a bow and some arrows he made,long before i was born....Like this,he said....It got a bit more serious after that..That was back in 74 or 75 if i remember correctly...

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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2017, 09:24:42 pm »
I started with a compound, but was drawn to recurves, probably after receiving my uncle's old Bear Alaskan recurve and bowhunting gear.  A lot of the stories I remember reading and enjoying involved recurves and longbows (Asbell, Jay Massey, even "Maggie" McGee if anyone remembers him).  I got away from hunting and shooting regularly in college, but seemed to be on the fringes of it a lot...I remember ALMOST buying the three volume TBB set at my favorite used bookstore in college, but for some reason I didn't.  The Traditional Bowhunter magazine with Jay Massey on the cover (right after his death) came out during my honeymoon; I bought it, read it, and still have it.  But I didn't get the wood bow bug until taking a bowmaking class near my home several years ago.  Then it really hit me hard!

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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #53 on: December 31, 2017, 06:58:01 pm »
My uncle, who is about 8 years older, came to visit us from California when I was 7 years old. He made me a bow and arrow from our ornamental yew bush. It took him about 15 minutes.

Something about that experience must have struck a chord cause I always wanted to make a bow from then on. I never did get around to trying until about 25 years later.

I think I broke something like 80 bows until I finally made a shooter.  :BB It's been an obsession ever since!
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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #54 on: December 31, 2017, 07:09:40 pm »
My uncle, who is about 8 years older, came to visit us from California when I was 7 years old. He made me a bow and arrow from our ornamental yew bush. It took him about 15 minutes.

Something about that experience must have struck a chord cause I always wanted to make a bow from then on. I never did get around to trying until about 25 years later.

I think I broke something like 80 bows until I finally made a shooter.  :BB It's been an obsession ever since!

  Who is your uncle? Is he from the Los Angeles area?

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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #55 on: December 31, 2017, 08:04:45 pm »
His name is Robbie Vorhouse. I think he lives a bit further north.
"Even as the archer loves the arrow that flies, so too he loves the bow that remains constant in his hands."

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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2018, 11:18:28 am »
HI, really nice to read how people get into it.

I joined my local archery club in Sweden in 2004 and after a few weeks of shooting recurve soon joined the "longbow" gang. When I soon found out every longbow in the club was fiberglass I felt a bit disappointed. Asked why no one was shooting wooden bows and got the answer - " its impossible to make a good bow from wood" -  really got me confused. Went to the local library and looked all over the place - nothing. There was a computer in the library where I could use internet (early days- not much there) and found TBB! Ordered it and few month later showed up with a birch self bow, 69 iches long of about 35lb draw weight, 3 inches of set but it shot as accurate as the fibre glass bows! All jaws dropped to the floor and all the old guys couldn't believe their eyes! Everybody wanted to have a look at it and I was hooked.
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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2018, 11:53:47 am »
Because I refuse to be totally dependent on modern technology! Nothing against it mind ya (within reason). When the other kids wanted to be a cop, firefighter or astronaut when they grew up, I wanted to be a mountain man like the Sacketts in a louis l'amour novel. Now that's true freedom! That's why I've set out to learn every primitive or preindustrial revolution skill I can in my life time.
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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2018, 01:05:31 pm »
HI, really nice to read how people get into it.

 ... " its impossible to make a good bow from wood" - ...
Yup, I can see how that got you hooked :)
Great story.
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Re: How did you get started making wood bows?
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2018, 11:47:23 am »
I was 8-10 yr old, at granddads house and found 2 fiberglass bows in the corner.  A red one which i could easily draw, and a yellow one which i wouldn't be able to draw for a few more years.  That red bow was fun but why stop there?  Unable to resist the urge to make a Ballista out of the red one, with no adult supervision and knowing no better way to fasten the prod to the stock(a square fence post) decided that hammering nails through it was completely acceptable.  Mounted it on the ground at a 45 degree angle and was good to go.  It had no trigger, you just pulled it back far as you could with both hands then let go.  It was a hit with all the neighborhood kids and i got some pretty impressive flight distances, to a kid anyways.  It finally shattered.  I still cant recall what happened to that yellow one, but if i had to wager a bet id say it had something to do with the Indian behind the bow getting another "creative idea".  One thing was certain, those 2 bows started the fever. 

I would go onto build bows out of saplings for the next few years, because i thought that's how it was done.  Most of them didn't shoot very far and would eventually break.  None of the kids at school shot bows, they were gun hunters and thought guns were better, after all its what their dads used and they came to school with pictures of their kills and venison, it was .270 this, .243 that.  I realized real quick that for me this would be a lonely journey.  I had a huge archery and hunting interest, but no guidance as no one in my family shot(anything) or hunted.  At age 15 i got a job at a outdoor and pawn shop and bought a Browning compound.  I practiced with it till a guy in the neighborhood agreed to take me deer hunting.  I soon realized deer hunting was a lot of waiting, and when i finally ended up getting a shot at a deer from a stand, i shot over its back.  I took a lot of heat from the guy for it supposedly being a bad shot.  That and other distractions led to a 15 yr lull.  Ages 15-30 was a time of chasing things in life that would prove unfulfilling, largely revolving around jobs, women, urban life and disappointment from things that should've worked out but didn't.  Early mid life crisis you might say.  Started taking a long look at life and where i wanted to be...and i found myself getting back to my roots. 

I started escaping the city and hanging out in the country every chance i had, like when i was younger.  I was on my friends land one day and got his permission to cut a few trees down, spent that whole day and the next few weeks making bows.  What fun i had been missing all these years!  When i finally made one with enough power to kill small game it was an awesome feeling, for the first time i thought to myself "yea this thing could actually work on a hunt!"  Taking it to the next level proved to be more challenging.  I was using random pieces of who knows what kind of wood, usually from saplings.  I remember finally i got fed up and set my last piece of wood in the garage for a whole year.  One day i walked by, glanced down at it and committed 100% to getting the help necessary to learn to build a good bow.  I took a class from a local bowyer in TX, learned to chase a ring and heat bend, got some Osage and went to work.  2015 i killed my first 2 deer with a primitive bow that i built, and its been where the bar is set ever since.