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Offline sleek

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Torges patch question
« on: October 26, 2017, 06:36:45 am »
Can a torges belly patch in the working limb be done with only CA glue, or is another glue required? I hinged a limb and have made it deeper a little and a lot longer,  so now I want to laminate a belly slat in place and rwtiller it, tapering it out to a feather.
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Offline Eric Krewson

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2017, 07:51:01 am »
I have only done a couple of these patches and used Urac for both. I found that these patches fail over time, one lasted a few months, one lasted a couple of years. Both patches failed with the patch wood developing stress cracks, none of the patches came loose.

Offline leonwood

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2017, 09:51:32 am »
Both CA and fast curing epoxy will probably crack in working areas, I tried both and it did not work. I used smooth on for another and that bow still shoots after thousands of shots

Offline DC

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2017, 10:55:50 am »
I don't think that CA would give you enough clamping time and it tends to be a little brittle.

Offline Dances with squirrels

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2017, 12:35:15 pm »
Laminate a belly slat? I thought we were talking about a Torges patch. A Torges patch isn't a slat or lam. We need more details, or pics.
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Offline sleek

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2017, 12:53:53 pm »
Thanks for the replies, i suppose I will just cut the messed up limb off and save the good one.
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Offline Del the cat

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2017, 01:31:33 pm »
Thanks for the replies, i suppose I will just cut the messed up limb off and save the good one.
Try a long gently curved patch, it gives more glue area. You have nothing to loose trying if your are thinking of cutting it off anyway.
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Offline bradsmith2010

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2017, 01:35:18 pm »
the nothing to loose suggestions sounds positive (SH)

Offline Hamish

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2017, 06:42:18 pm »
Totally agree Del. The Torges style patch is too short, in relation to the depth.  Still need to used the best tried and true glues for saftey, and durability.

Offline sleek

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2017, 06:48:02 pm »
From a stress standpoint, you want 25 times longer than deep.
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Offline PatM

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2017, 07:01:39 pm »
I doubt Dean would be comfortable with this patch being named after him. ;)

Offline sleek

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2017, 07:04:58 pm »
Lol, its the idea of the patch he developed, but i am of course, modifying it to fit my circumstances.
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Offline PatM

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2017, 08:58:42 pm »
I mean he did not develop the patch. He just brought it back to our attention. 

 I think Del mentioned seeing a bow collection from the Victorian era with this type of patch.

Offline Badger

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2017, 12:25:09 am »
From a stress standpoint, you want 25 times longer than deep.

  For a compression patch, you would want more depth and less length, If you had a router that would cut a nice flat spot with square edges you could barely squeeze a patch into it would be better than one that tapered off slowly.

Offline sleek

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Re: Torges patch question
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2017, 01:05:17 am »
Well, i guess that makes sense. Im used to thinking about tension stresses. But good reference for next time. On this one, im either going to cut and splice a new limb in, or grind the belly down till its real thin, and laminate a new belly on. Honestly,  I really like the idea of a new belly. Alot.
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