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Offline Marc St Louis

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« on: September 22, 2017, 10:39:57 am »
I had someone come over a couple weeks ago with a bow from a local museum.  The bow was made by a man called Victor Groulx who was of Algonquin decent, Victor died last month. 

A bit of history of what I know about Victor:  I met Victor many years ago and he was a bit of an odd person, he was at this time somewhat agoraphobic.  Victor was raised in the bush and was for many years a trapper/hunter.  About 30 years ago he developed an interest in his native heritage and started making bows and arrows, so far as I know Victor never used a bow for hunting.  He did a lot of research and made many reproductions, most of which he donated to his local Museum.  I remember going to visit Victor and he would tell me about how the Museum had mislabeled some of his work, which he tried to correct but gave up after awhile.  He was an interesting man to talk with but a bit long winded for me  (W

Anyway, this woman, also an Algonquin, had come over with one of his bows.  The top limb had been broken.  I suspect what happened is that the bow had been "borrowed" for a play the woman was making with some local school children and one of the kids had yanked back on the string a bit too far.  The bow was a nice looking, well decorated bow made of HHB backed with thin rawhide.   It was short, haven't measured it but probably around 48", with slight recurves.  The back is painted, there is quill work on the bow, strips of Weasel fur and what looks like tree bark wrap around the handle and tips.  The only thing that detracts from the bow is the dacron string.  My testing show that it was tillered to bend a bit too much in the outer limbs and that is why it failed there.  Anyway, the rawhide had ripped and the back had suffered a serious tension failure.  I told her I could fix it to look OK but there was no way it could ever be braced again. 

It is a pity the Museum lent it out to someone that didn't know much about bows.  Here are a few pictures that I took of the bow

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Offline High-Desert

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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2017, 10:45:55 am »
That's really unfortunate. Looking forward to see it all fixed up. Have any other photos of his work? It would be great to see.
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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2017, 10:56:46 am »
Yes that's unfortunate and did'nt need to happen I suspect.Good luck fixing it.Algonquin is a well known tribe.
These curators of these museums gotta get qualified people in there it seems.
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Offline bradsmith2010

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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2017, 12:29:22 pm »
very interesting, thanks for posting,, and good luck on the repair,, )P(

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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2017, 12:47:04 pm »
Hate to that happen to any museum piece, or even a vintage piece.  It does look very good with the decorations.  Good luck with the repair!
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2017, 01:50:09 pm »
Yup pretty sure that didn't happen sitting on a shelf in a glass case Marc. :o
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Offline George Tsoukalas

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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2017, 01:56:19 pm »
Thanks, Marc. That is too bad. Jawge
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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2017, 02:24:56 pm »
Museums eh?
I was going round a country house ages ago, it had a wonderful bronze of Diana the huntress... yes, her recurve style bow was fitted round the wrong way. The bow was separate but they wouldn't be told it was wrong  ::) ...  wince-making to us folk.
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Offline Lucasade

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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2017, 03:53:17 pm »
Some places are open to correction - I was at a National Trust place in Devon and they had a tall ship model in a glass case with several labels on the wrong bits. I (politely) gave my credentials - a few years working on tall ships - and pointed out where they should be. The guide called over the supervisor who asked me to write down where they should be, then said it was due to be taken out for cleaning in the next few weeks and the labels would be moved accordingly then. So he was either fobbing me off or graciously accepting correction  ::)

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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2017, 04:31:27 pm »
That's to bad it's a beautiful  bow !
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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2017, 06:14:26 pm »
The bow was braced and sitting in a glass last time I saw it  :).  There was a lot of splintering so the repair won't look great

I took several pictures of Victor's work at the museum many years ago.  Here is the bow at the bottom

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Offline Traxx

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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2017, 06:27:08 pm »
What a shame..In our State museum,,there is an old Native bow..It is sinew backed and re curved...It is also Strung backwards.. After at least 3 attempts to educate them otherwise...I finally gave up...

Seems leaving those bows leaning against the wall and braced,,isnt very good for em either..

Offline bradsmith2010

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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2017, 06:33:54 pm »
Marc,, I bet its gonna look great,, just not shoot so good,, :)

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2017, 11:47:52 pm »
Interesting story for sure. It's nice they were able to bring it to you to make it showable again.  :)
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Re: Museum Bow
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2017, 08:54:30 am »
Closer examination showed a perfectly smooth back to this bow which you wouldn't see on HHB so I think he took out all the ripples then backed it with rawhide, this would have violated a lot of growth rings.

Interesting story for sure. It's nice they were able to bring it to you to make it showable again.  :)

My wife is part of that Algonquin community and I'm the only one they know that has the skill to save it.

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