Author Topic: Locking in the bend  (Read 1858 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline DC

  • Member
  • Posts: 10,396
Locking in the bend
« on: August 22, 2017, 07:20:22 pm »
I've steamed a couple of recurves in a piece of Yew. How long should I leave it before I "lock in" the bend with dry heat?

Offline High-Desert

  • Member
  • Posts: 876
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2017, 08:36:38 pm »
No dry heat necessary, just let it dry a day or two and you're good to go, never had one pull out.
Eric

Offline Dances with squirrels

  • Member
  • Posts: 1,222
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2017, 04:49:36 am »
I've never done that with anything I've steamed.
Straight wood may make a better bow, but crooked wood makes a better bowyer

Offline Del the cat

  • Member
  • Posts: 8,322
    • Derek Hutchison Native Wood Self Bows
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2017, 05:17:38 am »
Only need to do it if you find they are pulling out.
Mind it won't do any harm, so if you want to do it, give it a day maybe... I generally just leave stuff overnight to settle.
Del
Health warning, these posts may contain traces of nut.

Offline Marc St Louis

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 7,877
  • Keep it flexible
    • Marc's Bows and Arrows
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2017, 07:38:46 am »
I do it to all the steamed in recurves, makes sure they won't pull out especially if I'm going to heat-treat plus it strengthens the wood.  I do it right after the wood cools and before I pull it off the form.  That way it stays exactly the shape I bent in.
Home of heat-treating, Corbeil, On.  Canada

Marc@Ironwoodbowyer.com

Offline leonwood

  • Member
  • Posts: 762
    • Leonwood Bows
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2017, 08:40:57 am »
I do as Mark does, never had one pull out since I started doing the dry heat after the steaming. I think the dry heat stiffens them up also which helps in making them thinner and lighter

Offline DC

  • Member
  • Posts: 10,396
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2017, 10:45:42 am »
Thanks

Offline PatM

  • Member
  • Posts: 6,737
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2017, 12:48:30 pm »
Consider your local conditions too. Some steamed woods really like to straighten out if moisture levels rise.
  You'll probably see a correlation between guys in a  desert type environment saying dry heat is unnecessary and guys in  a high humidity area or variable humidity liking the additional hold that dry heat gives.

Offline upstatenybowyer

  • Member
  • Posts: 2,700
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2017, 05:30:01 pm »
Wow. I've never done that and now I feel like an idiot. Sounds like a great idea!

Thanks :)
"Even as the archer loves the arrow that flies, so too he loves the bow that remains constant in his hands."

Nigerian Proverb

Offline Danzn Bar

  • Member
  • Posts: 4,166
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2017, 06:21:42 pm »
All woods are different, I don't believe it is necessary in all woods.
DBar
Integrity is doing the right thing when no one is looking

Offline Weylin

  • Member
  • Posts: 2,296
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2017, 11:36:21 pm »
I do exactly like Marc does, right after. I pretty much always do it now. It doesn't hurt and often helps.

mikekeswick

  • Guest
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2017, 07:08:46 am »
The only way it could help is by somehow stopping the cells taking on moisture again. Concave bellies after heat treating would suggest that this happens to a degree but you would need to get the recurves very hot for a reasonable length of time. This would need a narrow form and clamping of the recurve.
I would suggest that recurves that pull out are either too thin or more likely the heat didn't penetrate fully into the center of the recurve and therefore you have opposing forces 'steamed in'. Eg. the outer fibers got hot enough and are happily sitting there in the shape you want but the inner wood is still trying to straighten. 
Boiling is my preferred method now after bending many hornbow cores I know it gives more consistent results for anything upto the most extreme bends you can get into a straight piece of wood.

Offline PatM

  • Member
  • Posts: 6,737
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2017, 09:42:28 am »
The tip IS on a form. We do know dry heat alters wood so it definitely makes more of a difference than just preventing moisture uptake.
   
  If we could just heat treat in sharp recurves we probably would for the potential increased benefits but generally steam and boiling is the only way to get the shape there first.

Offline BowEd

  • Member
  • Posts: 9,390
  • BowEd
Re: Locking in the bend
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2017, 02:04:30 pm »
I temper my extreme bends with dry heat on the form a couple of days after steaming.
BowEd
You got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.
Ed