Cool looking points fletcha. Those are the ones that make me want to pull hair. Ahh,just one more flake, or that barb is not the same as the other one,,snap! I've been making my hunting points around 175 to 190grns. I've found that with that much weight forward they fly great,so I don't test shoot them as much when I know the arrow spine. And they get good penetration. And before this debate gets going again, they are about an inch and a quarter wide by two and three quarter long and real thin. Big Wide Hole.