bjrogg, my dad was a little apprehensive at first (Probably because it was like 5 degrees and we had to skin her) but we wanted to keep the hide(He was a good sport). She was the firs milk cow we bought for a dairy that we ran for 7 years. And to boot her hide is a relay unique color, a peach grey color, i'll haft to get some pics. Any way, he wants to make a pair of chaps with the hair on as well as for memorabilia. He said thanks for the compliment to. He sure tries hard to be a good dad and we all love him. Again Thanks for all the great advice everyone. We will keep updating as we work on it.