I've been holding my tongue, but I have got to brag...it's not red, but the land owner that lets me hunt on his property also has lots of osage. he just cuts it, stacks it, and burns it like the farmers in Kansas. anyway, there's been this stack of osage logs there for as long as I've been hunting his land, and I finally decided to do something with it. split maybe a forth of the stack, and I have over 50 staves! I'm going to be getting rid of a whole bunch of less than ideal wood soon!