Yeah, you need a lot of arrows that are expendable. I have not harvested yet but continue to try with doves and ducks on the wing. I've found that a judo style head mounted on a flu flu is good for doves. I've experimented with the snaro heads and they are just too heavy for good flight. For ducks I'm using my old 2 blade heads that will take an edge but have broken tips etc and the Ace hex blunts for smaller ducks like teal and woodducks. Good luck!