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Offline Del the cat

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This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« on: November 05, 2015, 03:09:10 pm »
This is a direct quote from a commercial UK bowyer. It was sent as an answer to an E-mail sent from a guy starting his journey in bowmaking. He forwarded it to me for comment.
No names, but you can probably guess.
I find this sort of thing quite upsetting as it does bowmaking in the Uk and our tradition a huge disservice.
I've highlighted the worst bits.
I don't know if this man is just a poor bowyer, deliberately trying to misslead in order to push his products or is just daft.

"Don't take this the wrong way, I am sure that you are keen and enthusiastic,
I was once, now that we have made over 20,000 bows we have learned a lot
along the way.  Yes I have tried to make bows from most woods. There is
nothing that grows in the UK that will make a good bow, never was.

Historically some of our native woods could be used to make a plausible flat
bow but rarely a D section longbow of any weight.

English Yew does not make successful bows, never did, the way wood grows in
our climate means that you get far too much early growth wood and very
little late growth wood, this makes the sapwood too thick.  If you reduce it
then it will be brittle and fail.  If you look at the Mary Rose bows you
will see a totally different material from the knotty nasty wood that you
see many re-enactors using.

I have seen literally hundreds of knotty yew bows, chunky lumps that do not
shoot well."

I suggested my friend contact one of the less bigoted bowyers in the uk who produces a better product in smaller quantities.
Del
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« Last Edit: November 05, 2015, 03:13:51 pm by Del the cat »
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Offline Pat B

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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 03:27:47 pm »
Not out of order at all, Del. You didn't use names and whoever he is I agree he is daft and misleading. I've seen some pretty cool bows made from British wood.
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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 04:02:50 pm »
WOW that is quite the condemnation of uk woods and bowyers, yikes
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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 07:50:00 pm »
Well I guess you should burn all the Bows you made from locally harvested wood..... real sad that there's information that misleading out there

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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 11:34:40 pm »

Apparently he has never done any historical research, yew, and Elm were the favored bow woods, and ash a third.  The French used the same woods, and were doing fairly well, till they got whupped.  To say that there is not any decent bow wood in England, is like saying there isn't anything fattening in a pastry shop.  The state of Washington has a comparable climate to England, and it produces some pretty fine yew bows.  I think this guy has an agenda somewhere along the line.
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Offline PEARL DRUMS

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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2015, 07:47:12 am »
Well I guess you should burn all the Bows you made from locally harvested wood..... real sad that there's information that misleading out there

This is just as pathetic as your Hunters Safety Course story. Greg told me, I couldn't believe my ears.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.

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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2015, 07:47:58 am »
Oh, and it further proves self promotion sells bows. Not quality or knowledge.
Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.

Offline JW_Halverson

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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2015, 03:13:10 pm »
Sounds like that Squirrel kid found a job in marketing!
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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2015, 05:00:50 am »
a UK commercial bowyer. there in lays the problem. the fact that they made 20,000 bows, the other problem. mass production of wood bows? to make 20000 in a whole life time seems undoable. if it got done in any shorter time span id have to think theres a lot of saws {electric} plainers {electric} sanders { electric} ect with that said theres no one on one relationship on the piece of wood he is working on. if you just cut out a bow from a piece of wood i wonder if he had time to "look" at the grain run?  its not theres not any decent bow wood in the UK. this guy isnt a bowyer, hes a manufacturer. ;) thats the problem.Tony

Offline AndrewS

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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2015, 07:19:22 am »
May be there is not enough good wood in the UK for mass production?

For the hobby bowyer there will be enough wood in the UK ;)
« Last Edit: November 11, 2015, 03:56:16 am by AndrewS »

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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2015, 09:03:58 am »
Sounds familiar ... By the way, I'm a lot less courteous than Del .... He's a good man to be so gentle. I'm not sure we're talking the same gentleman here, but it seems quite a similar line of commentary.


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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2015, 05:22:26 pm »
I saw a pretty nice bow a Brit brought to the Classic. Looked like a right, nice shooter to me.
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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2015, 08:48:01 pm »
I suppose all you can do is shake your head and smile.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2015, 10:32:39 pm by bowandarrow473 »
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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2015, 09:08:56 pm »
Sounds like that Squirrel kid found a job in marketing!

Now that's funny!  You made my day JW.

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Re: This is how our good work gets sabotaged
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2015, 03:10:07 pm »
What peeves me the most (apart from how he's putting off aspiring bowyers from getting stuck in!) is that he's got the gall to say such disparaging things about British trees!  >:(
(insulting our Yew it's frankly sacrilegious!)
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