This forum is loaded with great people, And Hunterbob is definitely one of them. I've texted back and forth with Bob for a while but have never met him in person but I consider him a good friend. A few days ago he sent me a pic of a HHB he was working on. It was a nice flatbow about 66" t2t an 55#@ 28". He used blackberries boiled down for the stain, deer antler shelf and tip. All selfbow! Let me tell you this this hits hard and actually. If I can just learn how to put my arrows in a better group I'll make meat this year with it. This will be my first time hunting with a selfbow. Thank you Bob this was very kind. I appreciate it!