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Offline DC

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Floor tillering
« on: September 01, 2015, 08:43:27 pm »
I just started tillering a Saskatoon bow. I floor tillered until it started to move and then put on the long string and put it on the tree. I pulled until the scale started to move and then one more inch. The scale went to 30#. 30# per in works out to 810# at my draw length. Obviously I should have taken more off when floor tillering. Now I can go back to floor tillering or I can keep going on the long string(it's a tight long string). Either way it's test it and remove wood. I could risk it and try to take 1/8" off on the bandsaw but I'm a coward. So it's the farriers rasp. What is the difference between floor tillering and tree tillering. I figure that using the tree the bow is out in front where I can see it and I can accurately follow the weight. Why floor tiller?

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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 08:48:27 pm »
Never worked with Saskatoon ...............I don't think   :-\ :-\ ...... is it the same a shad tree or service berry or am I all screwed up on my tree ID's..........
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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 09:05:45 pm »
I floor tiller with my tips left square at say 5/8", or so. That way I don't worry about flexing and grinding them into a piece of carpet as I floor tiller. In order for me to use a tree as early you do/did, I'd have to somehow shape those tips down in a way I can get a string on them. I don't want to do that so early in my process. So, I floor tiller to about 10-15# heavy, add overlays and/or mostly shape the tips and add grooves, Then brace it low and tweak it from there. 
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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 09:22:34 pm »
Saskatoon is Service Berry or darn close to it.
Thanks PD At least that's a logical reason although if I wasn't going to floor tiller I could shape the tips without worrying about grinding them into the ground. Just for the record I do floor tiller a bit but I always seem to chicken out. I figure I'm going to be rasping off the wood anyway, what does it matter how I decide how much to take off.

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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2015, 09:25:00 pm »
I'm big on floor tillering. If you do it right it's a much more accurate look on how your limbs are bending. I do a heavy floor tiller till it looks like the limb is bending enough to be braced. 
I used to use the long string, it's how I was taught.

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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 09:26:59 pm »
I guess it will take a while to get my arms calibrated.

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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2015, 09:28:49 pm »
If you can develope a good eye for floor tillering you can skip the long string. I personally floor tiller right up till brace. Not saying you must just saying thats how I do it. I also think it CAN prevent you from coming in too light. Floor tillering is and can be very usefull.

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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2015, 10:26:16 pm »
I floor tiller with my tips left square at say 5/8", or so. That way I don't worry about flexing and grinding them into a piece of carpet as I floor tiller. In order for me to use a tree as early you do/did, I'd have to somehow shape those tips down in a way I can get a string on them. I don't want to do that so early in my process. So, I floor tiller to about 10-15# heavy, add overlays and/or mostly shape the tips and add grooves, Then brace it low and tweak it from there.
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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2015, 10:31:39 pm »
I floor tiller with my tips left square at say 5/8", or so. That way I don't worry about flexing and grinding them into a piece of carpet as I floor tiller. In order for me to use a tree as early you do/did, I'd have to somehow shape those tips down in a way I can get a string on them. I don't want to do that so early in my process. So, I floor tiller to about 10-15# heavy, add overlays and/or mostly shape the tips and add grooves, Then brace it low and tweak it from there.

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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2015, 10:53:35 pm »
Never worked with Saskatoon ...............I don't think   :-\ :-\ ...... is it the same a shad tree or service berry or am I all screwed up on my tree ID's..........
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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2015, 10:59:47 pm »
I just started tillering a Saskatoon bow. I floor tillered until it started to move and then put on the long string and put it on the tree. I pulled until the scale started to move and then one more inch. The scale went to 30#. 30# per in works out to 810# at my draw length. Obviously I should have taken more off when floor tillering. Now I can go back to floor tillering or I can keep going on the long string(it's a tight long string). Either way it's test it and remove wood. I could risk it and try to take 1/8" off on the bandsaw but I'm a coward. So it's the farriers rasp. What is the difference between floor tillering and tree tillering. I figure that using the tree the bow is out in front where I can see it and I can accurately follow the weight. Why floor tiller?

Wow, do you work out or something? You sound kinda strong

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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2015, 11:01:56 pm »
You'll notice I said I only pulled it an inch ;D ;D

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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2015, 11:04:50 pm »
I floor tiller until I get about 4" of tip movement and both limbs seem to be bending evenly and about the same weight(resistance). From there I go to a long string and make corrections accordingly, then to first low brace. The sooner this is all done the better for me. This is where I check weight.
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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2015, 03:59:46 am »
I do about like Pat as far as floor tiller, until all is moving even then long string,[tight long string] I use a tiller stick until it is ready for low brace then to the tree.  :)
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Re: Floor tillering
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2015, 05:28:38 am »
All down to personal preference.
I rough out and straight to long sting for a first look see.
I do very little floor tillering as such but I s'pose I'll flex it see if I'm in the right ball park, but I don't look at tiller.
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