well,,,,,,,,I picked up a Benjamin np2 trail in .177,,,,,I'm loyal to Crossmsn (same company) they are twenty Min's from my home,,, good employer,, great work force ,,,,,but I am in love with this gun!! its not too loud I say too close to the gammo to argue for us? after some practice I can put five shots in a dime size circle from 10 to 30 yards! from a sand bag rest from my shooting sticks maybe a quarter size and getting smaller but since we are on the topic ,,,,,,,,,, for anyone intrested please check out "Teds Hold Over" and "Air gun nation" I have learned so much about shooting its crazy hope this helps Jeff W