Question about accuracy

[alwayslookin]

So a while back I finished a Osage flat bow. Really nice but I'm not super accurate with it. Not bad but not what I want to be. Yesterday I just finished a elb style crepe myrtle bow and I really like it alot. It's got some pretty good string follow but I tell you what it's super accurate. I steamed out some deflex. And it seemed to come back. My thoughts on the string follow are maybe it's not all the way dry. Anyways I don't really care  about the string follow because it shoots so well and I can shoot a quarter from 30 feet. My question is why would two bows with the same draweight with the same arrows shoot so differently. Is there any little tips I can use to fine tune my Osage bow to help the accuracy?

[Del the cat]

I think the ELB design with long limbs which act like stabilisers gives a smooth steady shot (as does a bit of string follow). Osage is punchier but is denser than some woods like Yew and if the tips are over built or the arrow too light can be less smooth.
Mind a lot has to do with the fine tuning and matching the arrow to the bow.
Some is just psychological tho'. Iif you happen to shoot well one day, then that bow feels like it has magical powers and it becomes a favourite.
We also get hooked on the macho thing... the high draw weight tons of force to brace it... yeah it's fast but it ain't smooth unless you are shooting heavy hunting arrows or medieval 1/2 " shafts! If I was actually hunting for my dinner, i'd probably go for just 40-45# and possiblt an old Hazel neolithic style with a handful of set.
Damn... I'm rambling now
Del

[DC]

Take this with some salt because I've only been at this a year or so. I've found that the amount of offset(how close it is to centershot) really affects the spine of the arrow needed. Let's say that the Osage bow has 1/4" more offset than the Myrtle. The arrow has to bend around that so it's going to want substantially less spine. Because you're using the same arrows they are matched to one but not the other. If you have some lighter arrows try them. You could also increase the point weight when using the Osage. Keep us posted, I would like to hear other peoples experiences.

[Pat B]

Bows are inherently accurate. All they do is push the arrow. The arrow is generally where accuracy comes from. They have to be matched to the bow and you and your shooting style.
Shooting the same arrows from completely different bows(except for draw weight) could be the problem. Also, like Del said, longer bows shoot more accurately because of their length.  I've always found shorter bows take me longer to get good with. They aren't as stable as a longer bow.

[bradsmith2010]

as stated above ,, just because the draw is the same,, does not mean the bows have the same cast and will shoot the same arrow,, or that the same arrow will shoot well from either bow,,, the handles are shaped different and the string orientation is probably different etc etc,,,   I have a feeling if the arrow pass was tuned a bit and with proper arrows the osage would shoot well for you,, if you shot bow bows through a chrono,, one is probably shooter harder than the other,, I am guessing the osage since is has less string follow,, it may require a stiffer spine to shoot like the other bow,, just guessing,,

[alwayslookin]

Awesome guys thanks for all the quick responses. I think the arrow could be a big factor. I will try the heavier points too. I need to wait to get some lighter spined  arrows and see how that works. The width of the handles is about the same. Crazy thing is even with all the set the long bow is much harder to string then the Osage with less set. How's that work out? Maybe it's just more awkward but it feels substantial harder to string. I was thinking about maybe working the inside of the Osage handle a little bit more so the arrow makes more contact with the handle towards the back of the bow.

[DC]

The bows may be the same width but if the string alignment is different then the offset will be different. Unfortunately I don't know of an accurate way of measuring it.

[George Tsoukalas]

alwayslookin, when you figure that one out, let me know. LOL.
I've noticed that some bows just fit my style of shooting better than others.
The hickory bow I'm shooting now fits me really well.
Last years bow taken from the same  1/4 log, in fact from right next to the one I like, does not.
Above you got some good bow tweaking advice for sure.
But don't fight it.
Shoot the one you shoot the best.
Jawge

[snag]

"We also get hooked on the macho thing... the high draw weight tons of force to brace it... yeah it's fast but it ain't smooth unless you are shooting heavy hunting arrows or medieval 1/2 " shafts!"
Del
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That's interesting Del. I had my first request today by a guy wanting 1/2" shafts for his 110 lb. ELB! 

I'd echo that the arrow properly tuned to the bow makes the bow look good. haha I think we over look this and tend to
blame the bow.

[alwayslookin]

alwayslookin, when you figure that one out, let me know. LOL.
I've noticed that some bows just fit my style of shooting better than others.
The hickory bow I'm shooting now fits me really well.
Last years bow taken from the same  1/4 log, in fact from right next to the one I like, does not.
Above you got some good bow tweaking advice for sure.
But don't fight it.
Shoot the one you shoot the best.
Jawge

that's good advice I know which bow I will be taking to the woods with me.

[mikekeswick]

Highly unlikely that one arrow will work perfectly for both. Lighter points for your osage bow not heavier!

[crooketarrow]

  Perty simple Just like compounds to day the faster the bow, (grains for compounders) the more all YOUR bad habits come into play. Not the bow it dos'nt change if it dose your holding two peices.

  As long as your string follow not some much (2 inchs in most bows) that it note'ly slow your bow to where you can really see it. I can't tell to much is to much. String follow not a really bad thing but I trive to build my bows a little string follow as possable (1/2 inch) to a inch of reflex.

  Howard ,hill, young and dozzens built their own bows ( 90,100 pounds.) They true''ly beleived up to 4,5 inchs string follow was exceptable. I you hav'nt built 100 pound bows with out string follow. Your a good bowyer. All mine settled at around 3 1/2 ,4 inchs.

[DC]

Highly unlikely that one arrow will work perfectly for both. Lighter points for your osage bow not heavier!

Mike, can you explain why you say lighter tips? In my post I was assuming the Osage had a wider handle(flat vs ELB) and would want less spine. You say lighter points which equals more spine.
Thanks

[alwayslookin]

Highly unlikely that one arrow will work perfectly for both. Lighter points for your osage bow not heavier!

yes explain  more Mike I was thinking heavier points.

[alwayslookin]

The string follow isn't too bad I guess it's a hair over 2 inches. Honestly I don't care if it has some I want accuracy and enough punch to take a animal. It's pulling over fifty at 28 inches and I can shoot leaves from my porch which is way better than I am with my osage. Granted different arrows might just help that out. I just measured the handles on both. The Osage is 1 inch wide(maybe 1 1/8) and  1 1/4 deep the long bow is just shy of 1 1\2 wide but just shy of a inch deep.